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AStammer7* 03-16-2011 02:14 PM

Oscar Moller,What's In Store?
 
Oscar Moller has put in his time and deserves a role with the Los Angeles Kings in 2011-12. He's versatile,gritty and has skills. I'd like to see him playing alongside Andrei Loktionov in LA. Kings will have to make a decision since he will not pass through waivers next year. Hoping for a permanent position for Moller in LA!!!

etherialone 03-16-2011 02:17 PM

I remember hearing something that said that the Kings had plans for him with the team next season. I know for certain that they hold him in high regard and see him as being a valuable player.

wabwat 03-16-2011 02:26 PM

i love little Oscar... and as adorable as he is, he doesn't 'deserve' jack!

he's proven very little other than he has a heavy workload ahead if he wants to be an everyday player at the NHL level. the need for Oscar only appears evident because we think he can be a boon to a weak powerplay, which should prove to be his bread and butter in terms of success on the stat sheet... that's likely where he'll get most of his points.

... and a powerplay specialist alone is not enough for Moller to fat out anyone currently playing in the top six... and don't get any foolish ideas about him playing on the bottom 6 either.

drugold 03-16-2011 02:27 PM

Where have you been? Ive missed your threads.
Would you call that line the rookie, midget weakling line? If either Loktionov or Moller play next season I see them playing on a line with two other big bodies. Not on the same line

KINGS17 03-16-2011 02:33 PM

If Oscar makes the team next season I would have to say it will be at the expense of Richardson. I don't see Oscar beating out anyone in the current top six. He may find time on the 3rd and 4th lines as an energy player and will definitely fill in the top six should an injury occur, but he has some stiff competition from Loktionov and Richardson to fill that role.

Jungle Boy 03-16-2011 02:39 PM

We could have those two lines:

Moller Schenn Brown
Smyth Stoll Simmonds.

No matter what happens this team will get smaller next season with the departure of Handzus and Poni.

wabwat 03-16-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KINGS17 (Post 31706114)
If Oscar makes the team next season I would have to say it will be at the expense of Richardson. I don't see Oscar beating out anyone in the current top six. He may find time on the 3rd and 4th lines as an energy player and will definitely fill in the top six should an injury occur, but he has some stiff competition from Loktionov and Richardson to fill that role.

if anyone has earned or 'deserves' an opportunity to be an everyday player, it's Richardson. i smell arbitration on the horizon for him... and that usually never ends well.

Johnny Utah 03-16-2011 03:10 PM

I only see Moller getting a chance when Smyth's contract expires...

Penner-Kopitar-Williams
Smyth-Stoll-Brown

None of those guys are going anywhere until 2012-2013 when Stoll, Penner and Smyth are UFA's.

If the Kings let Zeus walk this summer, I see Loktionov or Schenn taking that center spot and who knows what happens to the LW on the 3rd line...Re-sign Poni for less? Move Richardson up? Maybe Moller can take that spot?

Moller-Zeus/Schenn/Loktionov-Simmonds

kingsholygrail 03-16-2011 03:17 PM

Moller will get his chance like everyone else in camp.

alpa 03-16-2011 03:31 PM

I'm not so sure on Smyth next season, he might choose to step down. He has to be aware of how his play has degenerated. I would think if he is aware then he will start to question himself after the season.

wabwat 03-16-2011 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by alpa (Post 31707280)
I'm not so sure on Smyth next season, he might choose to step down. He has to be aware of how his play has degenerated. I would think if he is aware then he will start to question himself after the season.


why don't you give him until the end of this season, which may include the playoffs, before you smack the horse's a** and send Smyth into the sunset.

KINGS17 03-16-2011 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wabwat (Post 31706340)
if anyone has earned or 'deserves' an opportunity to be an everyday player, it's Richardson. i smell arbitration on the horizon for him... and that usually never ends well.

I could certainly see Richardson wanting a larger role on a somewhat less stacked team. I kind of see Oscar possibly taking over Richardson's role next season if Richardson would like an opportunity to play more somewhere else.

alpa 03-16-2011 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wabwat (Post 31707982)
why don't you give him until the end of this season, which may include the playoffs, before you smack the horse's a** and send Smyth into the sunset.

I did and I said or wrote he might take a decision on his own next season if he feels that he is not pulling his weight.

That doesn't mean that I think he should because I and he have not yet seen how he is going to end this season to make such a decision.

I'm not sure of where you were heading with this.

Edit: I did not mention that if his play continued to be as poor as it has been for the last 20 games or so. His game today was better than it has been for a long time.

wabwat 03-16-2011 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by alpa (Post 31708485)
I did and I said or wrote he might take a decision on his own next season if he feels that he is not pulling his weight.

That doesn't mean that I think he should because I and he have not yet seen how he is going to end this season to make such a decision.

I'm not sure of where you were heading with this.

the fact that he was essentially done was implicit in your original assertion that - "He has to be aware of how his play has degenerated." phrasing it as you did above loans itself a little better to the idea of wait and see.

he may or may not have a lot left to offer... that remains to be seen. but sure as s***, come playoff time, he's going to be one of those who leaves everything he has on the ice, and WILL be heavily cited by the opposition as a player that must be contained.

alpa 03-16-2011 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wabwat (Post 31708701)
the fact that he was essentially done was implicit in your original assertion that - "He has to be aware of how his play has degenerated." phrasing it as you did above loans itself a little better to the idea of wait and see.

he may or may not have a lot left to offer... that remains to be seen. but sure as s***, come playoff time, he's going to be one of those who leaves everything he has on the ice, and WILL be heavily cited by the opposition as a player that must be contained.

I hope you are right but he needs to get rested and TM has begun to cut down his TOI (unknown reason but one can only guess, no PP). We have all seen he has trouble keeping up with the pace of the game and his passing not good lately but his work on the boards and behind the net is perfect and always has been.

I think all the years off playing in those hard areas has worned him down and that is why I would give him some rest. But if he can't pick it up even if he was rested you have to believe he would start to think about ..(......).. stepping off.

And that is my point. Look at his career ..are you kidding me and he is still playing. That is an Iron-man.

santiclaws 03-16-2011 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wabwat (Post 31708701)
the fact that he was essentially done was implicit in your original assertion that - "He has to be aware of how his play has degenerated." phrasing it as you did above loans itself a little better to the idea of wait and see.

he may or may not have a lot left to offer... that remains to be seen. but sure as s***, come playoff time, he's going to be one of those who leaves everything he has on the ice, and WILL be heavily cited by the opposition as a player that must be contained.

No one should question his heart, but his game tailed off dramatically last season, too. And I'm not holding out much hope for him improving a lot come playoff time. 1G and 1A in six games last season, and that's with the power play on fire. It doesn't seem like his body can handle an 80+ game grind anymore.

Mr Irreverent 03-16-2011 07:23 PM

Oscar Moller would be the next Jarret Stoll if he was good at faceoffs.

Holden Caulfield 03-16-2011 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alpa (Post 31707280)
I'm not so sure on Smyth next season, he might choose to step down. He has to be aware of how his play has degenerated. I would think if he is aware then he will start to question himself after the season.

He has 20+ goals this season but he is going to think "wow I really suck now" and he is going to simply walk away from 6.5 million dollars? Not a chance in hell.

Mr Irreverent 03-16-2011 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Holden Caulfield (Post 31713760)
He has 20+ goals this season but he is going to think "wow I really suck now" and he is going to simply walk away from 6.5 million dollars? Not a chance in hell.

That's his cap hit. He's not going to make that next year...

Ollie Weeks 03-16-2011 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by santiclaws (Post 31709306)
No one should question his heart, but his game tailed off dramatically last season, too. And I'm not holding out much hope for him improving a lot come playoff time. 1G and 1A in six games last season, and that's with the power play on fire. It doesn't seem like his body can handle an 80+ game grind anymore.

2G, 9A over the last 12 games of the 09/10 season. Still pretty darn effective for a guy who now has this myth of "trailing off" at the end of last year. He was not very good in the playoffs, but seriously, does nobody remember those viscous bodychecks he received in the last couple regular season games, in addition to Game 1 vs. Vancouver? I was amazed he walked off the ice, period.

Smyth's play is sliding this season, but you can't claim "oooh I saw this coming - it happened last year!" It just isn't the case.

etherialone 03-16-2011 09:30 PM

I will say that I didn't see his rapid slide coming. I thought that we would get another solid season from him and that he would be able to skate at his typical better than average NHL level.

He has though fallen off drastically over the past fifteen games or so in his speed and skating ability. His numbers for the season aren't a problem at all for me because his leadership skills are good enough to warrant a roster spot.

The problem that he has now is that unless he has been playing with a serious injury then he has drastically fallen off and while he is good in short bursts with the way he has been playing he is leaving us with no other choice but to use one of our other options.

I am hoping that he can get short shifted for the next couple of weeks and or given some time off so that he can dig deep and give us a little of the magic that he has had throughout his career.

I think he can still bring it but he has to be better managed as to when he is used.

Fingers crossed because if you live or lived in Canada you would know how special this guy was and what he has meant to the National teams success during his career.

alpa 03-17-2011 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holden Caulfield (Post 31713760)
He has 20+ goals this season but he is going to think "wow I really suck now" and he is going to simply walk away from 6.5 million dollars? Not a chance in hell.

Read the rest and I have higher thoughts of him.

Nex06 03-17-2011 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wabwat (Post 31708701)
but sure as s***, come playoff time, he's going to be one of those who leaves everything he has on the ice, and WILL be heavily cited by the opposition as a player that must be contained.

You seem to be very certain about Smyth showing good stuff in the playoff. Why couldn't someone else be certain of the opposite?

wabwat 03-17-2011 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nex06 (Post 31720806)
You seem to be very certain about Smyth showing good stuff in the playoff. Why couldn't someone else be certain of the opposite?


i never alluded to anything other than his giving it his all... something that none of us can ever single him out as one who doesn't.

... and if you don't think any of the opposing coaches are going to make a note about having to contain the dirty goal guy during the dirty goal season, you're crazy.

i tend to give players like Smyth the benefit of the doubt when you begin to weigh a career over a really s***y month.

JBernierFan 03-17-2011 11:24 AM

Back to Moller since it seems like every thread turns into a 'crap on each other' discussion over someone's wording (seriously, what is it lately? Are you all PMSing?)....

I love Oscar. I have since we drafted him. The kid wears his heart on his sleeve and how can you not love a little guy who isn't afraid of the corners or in front of the net. I agree with some who say there is no way that a line with Lokti and Moller could make it in the NHL. Way too small IMO, but I guess you never know. I'd love to see Moller make the team, and his play in the AHL this year as really really picked up. He's been a beast lately there and has proven he can play in the important games down the stretch. I also think, just from what everyone has said on the Monarchs thread that he seems to be taking on a more leadership role, too, lately. He deserves a shot with the team come training camp, and it all depends on the play of Oscar at that time, as well as everyone else around him. Sometimes there are surprises coming out of camp. I was impressed with his play when he was called up this year. Each time we see him with the big club, he has improved by leaps and bounds.


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