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Play4Miracles* 03-22-2011 10:45 PM

The Power Play.
 
Overall it's been good this year. Right now with about 10 games to go, it's clicking at almost 21% on home ice, and near 17% on the road.

Lately it seems kind of out of place, like Lady Gaga in a confession booth. Sometimes they get the shots through and there's plenty of traffic, but a lot of times they are struggling to set it up around the perimeter. It seems like poor execution, and not so much the talent that is put out there. Well, except maybe Butler who seems a little bit out of his element offensively, but then again I haven't seen many short handed goals against lately.

Does it need more Gerbe?

Thoughts?

thefifagod 03-22-2011 10:48 PM

There have been fewer shorties because both units have had 2 defensemen on them. Sekera, Leopold, Myers and Butler all got significant PP time tonight. Personally, I thought Butler was downright awful on the power play. It's all about finding the right personnel together and for them to get hot at the same time. Power plays go through stretches both ways, be it struggling tonight or crushing against Atlanta.

SwordsgoneWild 03-22-2011 10:59 PM

This powerplay needs a complete overhaul. The players pass and pass but do not take any shots.

And the amount of turnovers I have seen this year on the power play has been downright sickening:help:

I concur we need more of the midget god (gerbe) on the power play.

HockeyH3aven 03-22-2011 11:07 PM

I hate how they make good plays to get into the zone, stop, and then wait for their stupidly predictable power play to setup.

I'm always a fan of attacking on the rush with the man advantage. If you can carry the puck over the line, attack the net and bring the extra man down from the point.

What's the point of having a powerplay that sets up the same exacty way every time with the same exact players and make the same exact passes and take the same exact shots.

This is where we miss Roy. He was great at setting up along the goal line and attacking the center ice before feeding Vanek in the slot, Stafford at the post, or just shooting it by himself.

The powerplay needs to focus on working down low, I'd like to see some more behind the net setups.

What the point of the man advantage if you just pass the puck around the blue line and take one timers? You can do that just fine five on five. It's a complete waste of a power play, and you aren't going to beat NHL goaltenders on one timers from the tops of the circles without insane luck or Alexander Ovechkin.

SoFFacet 03-22-2011 11:11 PM

Obviously they didn't score but I honestly didn't think it was that bad this game. Earlier in the season we just had 5 people standing around while Connolly stickhandled into a turnover. At least now people/the puck moves.

Two things that I notice are that they rarely pass cross-ice or try to beat their man individually. Every guy that receives the puck seems to think, well, theres a defender in the remote vicinity, I guess I can't score, I'll just pass it to the next guy" and the puck just circles the perimeter. I wish Vanek or Ennis etc would try and make some moves to the net.

Or they could embrace their own incompetence and use every PP to unleash an unstoppable barrage of point shots, like some teams do.

HockeyH3aven 03-22-2011 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SoFFacet (Post 31850267)
Obviously they didn't score but I honestly didn't think it was that bad this game. Earlier in the season we just had 5 people standing around while Connolly stickhandled into a turnover. At least now people/the puck moves.

Two things that I notice are that they rarely pass cross-ice or try to beat their man individually. Every guy that receives the puck seems to think, well, theres a defender in the remote vicinity, I guess I can't score, I'll just pass it to the next guy" and the puck just circles the perimeter. I wish Vanek or Ennis etc would try and make some moves to the net.

Or they could embrace their own incompetence and use every PP to unleash an unstoppable barrage of point shots, like some teams do.

You've discovered the secret to the great Carolina Hurricanes power play.

littletonhockeycoach 03-22-2011 11:21 PM

I dunno. The PP objective used to be to isolate 3 of 4 defenders with an overload so you end up with a 2 on 1 in front. Sabres have problems with teams that collapse their defence on the net and set up a wall (Pens come to mind). That leaves our PP players in an umbrella that's too high in the zone with a limited # of options. (Shoot or pass around the perimeter.)

Sabre's PP seems to be set up on Vanek in front tipping or getting the rebound. I like Detroit and Vancouver's use of mobility and tic tac toe passes (along with one guy in front taking the abuse) to find the open man because everyone on the PP seems to be moving. Sabres aren't anywhere near as mobile. However, Gerbe's goal tonight shows what happens when you have a guy or two darting around.

Also, the protective gear is so good today that players and goalies are no longer afraid to block shots. If they had to play with gear made in the 80's or 70's, there would be a lot more goals scored.

jflory81 03-23-2011 04:35 AM

I had no problem with Butler on the power play. At least the Sabres pointmen weren't firing pucks into forward's shinpads tonight (which is the #1 cause of SHG against)

There was also a slick play where they threw the puck around the boards when the pressure was intense at the point, and Vanek was waiting to instantly center to someone on the same side (Connolly?) who instantly crossed to Ennis, who just couldn't finish on the empty net...

One thing I HATED was how MTL's 4 corners turned into a 3 on 2 rush for them due to an incredibly lazy Sabres change. I don't think I've ever seen that before tonight....

Play4Miracles* 03-23-2011 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by littletonhockeycoach (Post 31850421)
Also, the protective gear is so good today that players and goalies are no longer afraid to block shots. If they had to play with gear made in the 80's or 70's, there would be a lot more goals scored.

The gear is better but the sticks are better too. Point shots are probably 5 mph harder than they used to be, and in the regular season not a lot of players are very bold about their shot blocking, I usually only see a polite skate together stance.

Chainshot 03-23-2011 08:06 AM

I wanted Gerbe on the powerplay last night as an adaptation to what I was seeing from the two units. He was one of the only forwards looking to move hard to scoring position and attack the net. Most of the rest seemed content to glide around the perimeter and if they're going to wait for perfect passing options that just aren't there in a static setup.

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Originally Posted by littletonhockeycoach (Post 31850421)
I dunno. The PP objective used to be to isolate 3 of 4 defenders with an overload so you end up with a 2 on 1 in front. Sabres have problems with teams that collapse their defence on the net and set up a wall (Pens come to mind). That leaves our PP players in an umbrella that's too high in the zone with a limited # of options. (Shoot or pass around the perimeter.)

Sabre's PP seems to be set up on Vanek in front tipping or getting the rebound. I like Detroit and Vancouver's use of mobility and tic tac toe passes (along with one guy in front taking the abuse) to find the open man because everyone on the PP seems to be moving. Sabres aren't anywhere near as mobile. However, Gerbe's goal tonight shows what happens when you have a guy or two darting around.

Also, the protective gear is so good today that players and goalies are no longer afraid to block shots. If they had to play with gear made in the 80's or 70's, there would be a lot more goals scored.

Good points.

They can still run Vanek in the low slot with the adaptation that if he's not getting a look, he can take a step or two out to the mid-slot for the slap-pass type of redirect from whoever is on the half-wall (yes, I watch a lot of Canucks games... :D ) or setting up for a high slot one-timer rather than being the low man. Granted, that means one of the other forwards has to go far-post and go there with authority.

The other play they worked for a while was Vanek as the low hub, operating from behind the goal line and looking for someone in the crease area (Stafford and he had that bang-bang sort of low 2-on-1 working a bit during one of Staff's hot streaks). It hasn't been there and at this point, they can't get the off-wing backdoor pass to work either (a long-standing staple of the Sabres PP units).

Maybe if they simply got back to basics: move the puck quickly to the open man, move to open ice, look for shooting lanes and get the puck and bodies to the net. They don't do the first two regularly enough for the other two to happen IMO.

Chainshot 03-23-2011 08:15 AM

Also, I didn't mind Butler on the point. He's a guy who makes safe plays, moves the puck to the open man and takes the appropriate shot -- he's not taking rafter-reachers when a wrist shot is the better option. The kid was their second best point producer on the PP among defensemen last year. He's a lower risk player than say Tim "Standstill" Connolly on the point with the team's risk of short-handed goals against who has shown some aptitude for it.

sk8haggard9 03-23-2011 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Chainshot (Post 31852801)
Also, I didn't mind Butler on the point. He's a guy who makes safe plays, moves the puck to the open man and takes the appropriate shot -- he's not taking rafter-reachers when a wrist shot is the better option. The kid was their second best point producer on the PP among defensemen last year. He's a lower risk player than say Tim "Standstill" Connolly on the point with the team's risk of short-handed goals against who has shown some aptitude for it.

I couldn't agree more Chain. Butler was a huge reason for any of the success we had on the power play last year, so much so that I think I remember Ruff talking about wanting to turn Butler into a more offensive defensemen. Although, I think Butler poses a better stay-at-home kinda guy, the simplicity he brings to the PP is refreshing compared to alot of our guys who try to do too much.

On the Tim Connolly point, obviously as long as he is on the team Ruff has to put him out on the PP, but after so many shorties directly due to TC on the point, they really need to rethink his position. I always thought Timmy was best on the left side halfwall, where he can set up plays, but not pose a liability at the point.

Montag DP 03-23-2011 11:47 AM

I think the #1 issue is that we don't get enough movement. Good powerplays usually seem to have more cycling of the three deep players, which keeps the PK on their toes and also opens up more room for the point men to get shots through. Our slow-moving powerplay is too easy to defend.


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