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Legion 03-28-2011 02:44 PM

At what amount do you not match Seto RFA?
 
Kind of curious to see what people around here think. I know most of us recognize his potential, and see the streaky type of production he has shown.

What kind of contract would you want to give for him, terms/length? And at what point do you let him go if he finds an offer sheet coming his way?

I think at 3.5 and north DW doesn't match, but I could see a team taking a gamble on him.

Jesus Toews* 03-28-2011 02:52 PM

No one in their right mind is going to give up draft picks for the right to pay Setoguchi $3.5mil/year on a long-term contract. Even the Sathers and Howsons of the GM world aren't that incompetent.

sjshark91 03-28-2011 03:16 PM

4million is the highest amount I would go.

Pinkfloyd 03-28-2011 03:20 PM

I don't think the compensation numbers are up yet and I wouldn't be able to formulate an opinion until that occurs. I doubt that anyone will attempt to sign Setoguchi though. Long shot would be Chicago but they have their own players to worry about.

one2gamble 03-28-2011 03:20 PM

I cant see him getting much more than 2.5, hes still to streaky to commit any kind of term or money to. I think a short reasonably priced contract is in his future.

allworldcaucasn* 03-28-2011 03:20 PM

Doesn't the player have to sign the offer sheet? I think Seto would take a little less to stay on the Sharks.

pain2007 03-28-2011 03:36 PM

Has to be < $2.5m unless he has a huge playoffs. But it is good that this is even a relevant discussion as it sure wouldn't have been a couple months ago.

rangerssharks414 03-28-2011 03:41 PM

I think he's going to get somewhere between $2.5M and $3M. Anything more than $3.5M, I'd let him go.

Barrie22 03-28-2011 03:53 PM

anything more then 3 million, let him walk.

if we use this years compensation, that would equal a 2nd round pick for 3 million right on the button.

if the contract went over 3,013,434 it would be a 1st and a 3rd round pick.

one2gamble 03-28-2011 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrie22 (Post 31960156)
anything more then 3 million, let him walk.

if we use this years compensation, that would equal a 2nd round pick for 3 million right on the button.

if the contract went over 3,013,434 it would be a 1st and a 3rd round pick.

@ million the compensation isnt worth letting him walk. Good luck drafting a top 6 forward in the 2nd round.

If you get a 1st + and the Sharks are sitting in cap hell (likely) then you think about letting him walk.

Pinkfloyd 03-28-2011 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrie22 (Post 31960156)
anything more then 3 million, let him walk.

if we use this years compensation, that would equal a 2nd round pick for 3 million right on the button.

if the contract went over 3,013,434 it would be a 1st and a 3rd round pick.

To me, if we're basing it off of that, anything less than that threshold that compensates with the 1st and a 3rd, I'd keep him. The team can afford to keep him, need his speed, and can move other players to accommodate that salary and what we need to fill out the rest of the roster.

matt trick 03-28-2011 04:55 PM

I agree that whatever the threshold of a 1st is (say maybe 3.2) is absolutely necessary to even consider whether its worth while to let him go. The fact that this draft is excellent means I consider any it, where as this year, there is no player outside of the top 8-10 that I'd be willing to trade Seto for (granted that changes when a trade is necessary).

However, if that 1st is coming from Boston, Philly (unlikely), Pitt, Vancouver, Chicago, Detroit, LA, I turn it down unless the offer is ridiculous (3.75-4 million).

I don't see middle of the road teams throwing around offer sheets, because with parity, injuries and other issues, can mean the difference between being a playoff team and a top 5 pick (in an elite draft)- see Colorado's massive flop. Toronto made such a gamble (essentially, it was pretty much an offer sheet), and IMO, loss pretty big and Kessel is a much, much better player than Seto On that note, I think Stamkos, Parise, Weber, Turris, Callahan, Dubinsky, Bogosian, Voracek, and Yandle generating significantly more interest than Setoguchi, Wheeler, and those types. One thing workign against us however, is that the wingers in UFA suck hard. Only Gagne, Hejduk, and Selanne are more valuable wingers, and two of them (maybe three aren't going anywhere).

magic school bus 03-28-2011 05:28 PM

if its a one yr deal, ill go up to 4 million.
multi yr deal, ill match up to 3.5 million.

with where he was drafted, you have to keep him around to see how it turns out. he hasnt earned either number, so i cant see anyone offering this much (including us). ill take the picks if someone does (except Chicago, Detroit, or Vancouver, maybe Anaheim too). im not letting him go there.

SJeasy 03-28-2011 06:57 PM

Someone else came up with Raymond as a comp. Just about spot on in terms of player and Raymond got $2.5mil. Others near Seto are Brouwer, Versteeg, MacArthur and Stafford. They are in the vicinity and there are enough similar players out there that an offersheet is highly unlikely. Offersheets generally go to players who are a bit more rare (not necessarily more valuable).

That being said, DW acquiring a similar player from outside the org to fill the hole if he lets Seto walk on an offersheet is going to be more costly than $3mil. They don't have a replacement player in the prospect pipeline of Seto's level yet. He is probably more valuable to the Sharks than other orgs because many others have more similar or close to types in their pipelines.

Kitten Mittons 03-28-2011 07:44 PM

Sign him for 2.5mil. Match offer sheet up until 3.5mil. Although DW loves the guy.

SactoShork 03-28-2011 09:39 PM

3 years @ 2.5, 2.5, 3 = $2.67m cap hit.

No more than $3m for a bit... he's just not smart enough.

Jesus Toews* 03-28-2011 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SactoShark (Post 31966887)
3 years @ 2.5, 2.5, 3 = $2.67m cap hit.

No more than $3m for a bit... he's just not smart enough.

Your avatars all belong in some sort of HF Hall of Fame.

Gilligans Island 03-28-2011 10:10 PM

Anybody know how many years until Seto is a UFA? If after next season, then I can see either a 1 yr deal @ $2.5m or 2 yrs at $2.75. Any more into his UFA and his cap hit will go up and like others have said, he's not ready to get that.

matt trick 03-28-2011 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SactoShark (Post 31966887)
3 years @ 2.5, 2.5, 3 = $2.67m cap hit.

No more than $3m for a bit... he's just not smart enough.

So if someone offers 3 years 9 million, you are going to let Seto walk for a 2nd?

WTFetus 03-29-2011 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matt trick (Post 31969447)
So if someone offers 3 years 9 million, you are going to let Seto walk for a 2nd?

Setoguchi seems to like it here though. I doubt he'd accept an offer sheet that pays him an average of less than half of a million a year.

matt trick 03-29-2011 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WTFetus (Post 31969639)
Setoguchi seems to like it here though. I doubt he'd accept an offer sheet that pays him an average of less than half of a million a year.

I agree. My guess is if he had gone for an offer sheet he could have probably gotten 2.75-3, simply because teams with room can gamble 3 mill and a 2nd pick on a guy with 2 20 goal seasons, grit, and speed.

I personally think a 2 year 2.5 mill deal would be reasonable, but if it cost more to keep him I'd be willing.

DuckEatinShark 03-29-2011 12:28 AM

3.5 mil sounds about right for Seto.

Let Huskins walk and we'd have the space.

No way is DW letting him walk at 3 mil and only getting a 2nd back.

Led Zappa 03-29-2011 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckEatinShark (Post 31969975)
3.5 mil sounds about right for Seto.

Let Huskins walk and we'd have the space.

No way is DW letting him walk at 3 mil and only getting a 2nd back.

We are tight next year even with the salaries that come off the books.

RainbowDash 03-29-2011 12:58 AM

I doubt Seto would sign an offer sheet we couldn't match.

If he continues to play the way he does throughout his career, then you can almost draw comparison to Burrows. Which would be extremely disappointing.

Not good enough defensively. Poor performance on the PP.
I could easily see DW giving him the same contract this year. 1yr @ $1.7m

He really has no pull towards getting more pay on the bargaining table. Not on this team he doesn't at least. If negotiations go bad, I can defiantly see DW making an exception to sign him, but sell him at the TDL.

Pinkfloyd 03-29-2011 07:27 AM

Based on his negotiations last year, there's no reason for me to believe that he'd sign an offer sheet. He had plenty of time last year to get one or sign one and didn't do so. I would like to hope that that would be the case this time around as well.


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