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HockeyinHD 04-19-2011 01:32 PM

Well, it's going up quite a bit...
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=6389351

"The National Hockey League is remaining with NBC and its networks for at least the next 10 years as its U.S. media partners, the league and the network announced Tuesday.

The deal, which is reportedly worth $2 billion and extends through the 2020-21 season, includes exclusive rights for NBC's networks, including Versus, to the Stanley Cup playoffs."

An extra 200 mil a year into the kitty is going to pop the salary cap (and floor) up by quite a bit.

This is great news for the Wings and the rich teams, and less good news for the less rich to poor teams who will now have to deal with a cap floor that's however many million higher.

Adityase 04-19-2011 01:47 PM

If I'm not mistaken, Vs. is owned by Comcast which just bought NBC Universal from GE so they could seriously expand Vs. into a true ESPN rival and use them in conjunction with NBC (like ESPN on ABC).

This could be really good for the NHL. That or Vs grows and grows and then dumps the NHL to get high school basketball so Bettman has to take $10 from Oprah to broadcast games...

HockeyinHD 04-19-2011 01:58 PM

Back when the issue of a new TV contract was being discussed, I think I said something very similar to that.

It's a smart move for Comcast, which is likely to have the only active sport in 6 months other than Baseball considering the NFL is locked out and the NBA shows every sign of being so.

Big Poppa Puck 04-19-2011 02:07 PM

Higher cap = Great news for Wings.


As for the deal itself I wanted ESPN to get something out of it as I miss Gary Thorne calling NHL games. Oh and the fact I love ESPNs NHL theme song.

Other than that its a great deal for the NHL.

Run the Jewels 04-19-2011 02:20 PM

Mo money means a better roster for the Detroit so what's not to like? I'm also glad it happened after the Hawks had to sell off half their friggin' team in a yard sale. How's that Marian Hossa contract workin' out for ya guys? :laugh:

RedWingsNow* 04-19-2011 02:29 PM

I am surprised the NHL, which was in high demand this time around, agreed to a 10-year deal.
How do they benefit from that?

Heaton 04-19-2011 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 32499027)
I am surprised the NHL, which was in high demand this time around, agreed to a 10-year deal.
How do they benefit from that?

With the NFL and NBA both seemingly headed towards lockouts, I can't imagine ESPN bidding more than they would right now. I think Versus is and will continue to be more committed to the NHL than any other network. Mainly because they don't really have anything else, but I think they've done everything and more than what ESPN has or could've done.

RedWingsNow* 04-19-2011 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heaton (Post 32499513)
With the NFL and NBA both seemingly headed towards lockouts, I can't imagine ESPN bidding more than they would right now. I think Versus is and will continue to be more committed to the NHL than any other network. Mainly because they don't really have anything else, but I think they've done everything and more than what ESPN has or could've done.

As fan, I have no problem with vs, other than the nonstop rodeo commercials.

I just don't know how wise a 10-year deal is.

jacK 04-19-2011 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 32499987)
As fan, I have no problem with vs, other than the nonstop rodeo commercials.

I just don't know how wise a 10-year deal is.

:biglaugh: so, so true...

grsbmd 04-19-2011 03:56 PM

Actually this is really good news for teams that have are stuck with terrible contract decisions. (Huet, Souray, etc.)

jacK 04-19-2011 04:14 PM

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Ebersol said the Versus name will be changed within 90 days to better reflect its association with NBC.
hmm... seems like VS has done very well w/ their re-branding efforts from the OLN days, and is a household name w/in hockey circles [and beyond, i'm sure.] hopefully they don't blow this just to put the NBC name on everything they own.

DetBigWangs 04-19-2011 04:15 PM

B Richards sweepstakes here we come?

Heaton 04-19-2011 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DetBigWangs (Post 32501173)
B Richards sweepstakes here we come?

No chance.

sarcastro 04-19-2011 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grsbmd (Post 32500873)
Actually this is really good news for teams that have are stuck with terrible contract decisions. (Huet, Souray, etc.)

In theory, yes.

In realilty, those teams will just fill up their newfound cap space with equally horrible contracts.

This just opens the Hawks up to sign the next Brian Campbell, or for the Devils to sign another Kovalchuk deal.

mindfly 04-19-2011 04:21 PM

Come on Kenny, do a Hossa summer 2008 :P

sarcastro 04-19-2011 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heaton (Post 32501188)
No chance.

Actually I'd say it depends on how high the cap goes and whether Nick retires. If he does, they could have a lot of cap room and adding someone like Richards might fit into their structure. He also might have teams scared of his concussions this year, causing him to look for a Hossa-esque 1 year show-me deal. The Wings could definitely be in that market.

They can always put Z on the wing and have a top 12 of Z-D-Bert, Cleary-Richards-Franzen, Hudler-Filppula-Abdelkader, Homer-Helm-Mursak/Eaves/Miller. If they get a decent top 3 defender, that's a really good lineup. And it's not completely impossible to think they could afford it short-term. I think the smarter move would be to get two really good defensemen, but a top 4 D and a top 6 forward wouldn't be the end of the world.

Heaton 04-19-2011 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sarcastro (Post 32501350)
Actually I'd say it depends on how high the cap goes and whether Nick retires. If he does, they could have a lot of cap room and adding someone like Richards might fit into their structure. He also might have teams scared of his concussions this year, causing him to look for a Hossa-esque 1 year show-me deal. The Wings could definitely be in that market.

They can always put Z on the wing and have a top 12 of Z-D-Bert, Cleary-Richards-Franzen, Hudler-Filppula-Abdelkader, Homer-Helm-Mursak/Eaves/Miller. If they get a decent top 3 defender, that's a really good lineup. And it's not completely impossible to think they could afford it short-term.

Brad Richard's cap hit right now is 7.8m and he put up a 90pt season a year ago. Teams like Toronto and the Rangers won't let his cap hit get much lower and I don't see him as the type of guy who'll take 5m to play for a winning organization. I also don't see the Wings needing/wanting a guy like Richards while Datsyuk, Z and Franzen are here.

FabricDetails 04-19-2011 04:38 PM

Weber sweepstakes... Hehe.

Fugu 04-19-2011 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 32499987)
As fan, I have no problem with vs, other than the nonstop rodeo commercials.

I just don't know how wise a 10-year deal is.


My sentiments exactly. The entire footprint expansion plan was initiated to get that big TV contract. This sounds like the league settled for another..... TEN YEARS.... for an amount similar to what they get from Canada (roughly $100MM from CBC and another $50-100MM from TSN, depending on the source).

chances14 04-19-2011 05:05 PM

it's too bad espn didn't up the ante. i know versus has hockey as its number one sport, but it is still just a niche network among sports fans

Epsilon 04-19-2011 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 32499027)
I am surprised the NHL, which was in high demand this time around, agreed to a 10-year deal.
How do they benefit from that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fugu (Post 32501628)
My sentiments exactly. The entire footprint expansion plan was initiated to get that big TV contract. This sounds like the league settled for another..... TEN YEARS.... for an amount similar to what they get from Canada (roughly $100MM from CBC and another $50-100MM from TSN, depending on the source).

Long deals for sports properties is basically the industry standard now, for example see every college football property deal made recently or that will be made in the hear future (Texas Longhorn network, PAC 12 contract, Big XII contract, etc.).

chances14 04-19-2011 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epsilon (Post 32502369)
Long deals for sports properties is basically the industry standard now, for example see every college football property deal made recently or that will be made in the hear future (Texas Longhorn network, PAC 12 contract, Big XII contract, etc.).

agreed. fsd also signed 10 year contract in 08 to broadcast tigers, pistons, and wings game

19 for president 04-19-2011 07:48 PM

I'd love to see something like:

FORWARDS
Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m)
Jiri Hudler ($2.875m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.000m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.500m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Brian Rafalski ($6.000m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Ty Conklin ($1.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,058,711; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $2,342,000

Bieksa gives the Wings another RD and guy that has a bit of a snarl. It also gives us potentially the best top 6 in the league. The forward lineup remains largely the same and I think that is fine. It won't change a ton until Bert and Homer leave. I'd be ok with E coming back but not at anymore than 2mil a year and that is pushing it. I'd only say 2 mil is acceptable if he continues playing well in the playoffs and its at least a 3-4 year deal. If the cap goes up by 3 mil we could do that and still have a little bit of room under the cap.

Then in 12/13
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m)
Tomas Tatar ($0.870m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.800m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.000m) / Darren Helm ($3.00m) / Justin Abdelkader ($2.00m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / UFA Center (1.5mil)/ Gustav Nyquist ($0.762m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($6.500m) / Niklas Kronwall ($5.500m)
Kevin Bieksa ($4.500m) / Brad Stuart ($4.00m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Backup Goalie (1.m)



CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $57,727,000; BONUSES
CAP SPACE (18-man roster): $4.673mil

Fugu 04-19-2011 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epsilon (Post 32502369)
Long deals for sports properties is basically the industry standard now, for example see every college football property deal made recently or that will be made in the hear future (Texas Longhorn network, PAC 12 contract, Big XII contract, etc.).

Only as long as the league wants to make it. My point is that we've been told for a couple decades now that the only thing preventing the NHL from competing for a massive national broadcast contract is the lack of a national footprint. These things take time, we were told. So is the culmination of the master plan--- $200 MM in the US? For an entire decade? No one expects the NHL's value or ratings to increase significantly for TEN yrs?

Please keep in mind that there are six teams in Canada, as you know, and the NHL has two national contracts there (excluding RDS) that are valued for almost the same amount of money per annum.

I fail to see this as some great moral victory.


Quote:

Originally Posted by chances14 (Post 32503131)
agreed. fsd also signed 10 year contract in 08 to broadcast tigers, pistons, and wings game

Yes, but.... The Wings are getting $30 MM for their regional broadcast rights. One team and they receive 1/6th-ish of what the entire NHL can muster in the US.

More importantly though, when the FSD contract was negotiated, did they figure on being able to carry playoff games in their region? Just think how pissed off you would be if you'd paid for those rights only to have the league come and pull the rug out from under you. They have the first round available to them, unless NBC claims one of those games (which they always do) and then they're done. Second round and on all goes to the national rights holder.

RedWingsNow* 04-19-2011 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fugu (Post 32505101)
Only as long as the league wants to make it. My point is that we've been told for a couple decades now that the only thing preventing the NHL from competing for a massive national broadcast contract is the lack of a national footprint. These things take time, we were told. So is the culmination of the master plan--- $200 MM in the US? For an entire decade? No one expects the NHL's value or ratings to increase significantly for TEN yrs?

Please keep in mind that there are six teams in Canada, as you know, and the NHL has two national contracts there (excluding RDS) that are valued for almost the same amount of money per annum.

I fail to see this as some great moral victory.




Yes, but.... The Wings are getting $30 MM for their regional broadcast rights. One team and they receive 1/6th-ish of what the entire NHL can muster in the US.

More importantly though, when the FSD contract was negotiated, did they figure on being able to carry playoff games in their region? Just think how pissed off you would be if you'd paid for those rights only to have the league come and pull the rug out from under you. They have the first round available to them, unless NBC claims one of those games (which they always do) and then they're done. Second round and on all goes to the national rights holder.

I agree. When it comes to TV, the NHL is fledgling. They're coming off a terrible monetary deal with NBC and now suddenly have all this interest in the sport. I don't see the need to give away 10 years.


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