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RangerBoy 05-01-2011 06:00 AM

Sean Avery buyout
 
The Rangers and Stars will share a Sean Avery buyout. Dallas is obligated to pay Avery in every situation except the Rangers placing Avery on re-entry and another team claims him. The Rangers and claiming team would be responsible for the cap hit in a re-entry scenario. That is not happening.

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PLEASE NOTE: Because Avery was acquired off reentry waivers, the "buyout" and "buyout cap hit" columns appearing below are split between the waiving and claiming team.
http://www.capgeek.com/buyout_calcul...?player_id=638

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Sean Avery buyout from CapGeek.com
2011-12: $1,208,333
2012-13: $1,333,333

Rangers could take 1/2 of the cap hits. Rangers would save $1,333,333 in 11-12. $1,937,500 cap hit-$604,166.50 buyout cap hit.

$666,666 cap hit in 12-13.

Rangers take a $1.05M cap hit in 11-12 for buying out Wojtek Wolski and Avery. $1.2M cap hit in 12-13 for both of those players.

Frees up $4.6M in 11-12.

trebendan 05-01-2011 07:33 AM

Is there a limit to how many players a team can buy out in a summer? Could the Rangers buy out all 3 of Avery, Drury and Wolski?

BBKers 05-01-2011 07:50 AM

Things like this are gonna have to happen to make an upgrade work. Letīs for sake of argument say that we also buyout Drury. And Boogaard retires/is demoted.
And that we sign Richards for 6,9 M caphit for 5 years. And our RFAs including Feds.

Savings = 4,6 M (Avery + Wolski) + 3,333 M (Drury) + 1,625 m (Boogaard) = 9,555 M

These 4 players however need to be replaced. Something like this?:

Drury <<< Richards
Wolski >= Kreider ?
Avery > Grachev/Hagelin?
Boogaard < Other FA 40 game goon

OK - letīs also say we go the "home-grown" variety and fill up our slots from within the organisation (less a few places)
We would get a very young & inexperienced team with ups & downs...
And a likely burnout twds the end of the year
There are still holes to fill - but this would almost be doable:

FORWARDS
Chris Kreider/if he signs?/ or Vinny Prospal ($1.500m) / Brad Richards ($6.900m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.000m) / Artem Anisimov ($1.800m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.000m)
Evgeny Grachev or Carl Hagelin (MAX $0.816m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Mats Zuccarello-Aasen, UFA/trade or Christian Thomas (MAX $1.750m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.500m) / Brian Boyle ($1.800m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
UFA Goon ($0.700m) / Erik Christensen ($0.925m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Mike Sauer ($1.500m)
Michael Del Zotto or Pavel Valentenko (MAX $1.087m) / UFA RD ($2.500m)
Matt Gilroy ($1.100m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($0.875m)

BUYOUTS
Drury Buyout ($3.716m)
Avery Buyout ($0.604m)
Wolski Buyout ($0.466m)


CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,191,667; BONUSES: $1,650,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $208,333

Christ could also be waived.
We could skip the goon and or the 3rd pairing Righthanded D
I donīt know :help:
But any way you look at it - there will be some changes, trades andmost likely buyouts.
And if we want Brad Richards, Drury needs to be gone. It is that simple. Either by trade (NMC...), buyout or retirement (Fat Chance it seems).

NYR Viper 05-01-2011 08:55 AM

I would be totally fine with buying out Avery. But Wolski I still believe has some value and could return, at the very least, a couple of lower picks in this draft(think 3rd + 4th).

Boom Boom Geoffrion* 05-01-2011 09:30 AM

Any nerds want to do some Cap-Math for me?

How much cap space would we have if:

-Drury, Avery, Wolski is bought out
-Christensen is waived
-Boogaard is somehow voided

How much dead cap space would we have, and for how long. And how much cap space would open up.

Thanks, nerds~ ;) ;) ;) :razz:

Boom Boom Geoffrion* 05-01-2011 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NYR Boyler87 (Post 32801489)
I would be totally fine with buying out Avery. But Wolski I still believe has some value and could return, at the very least, a couple of lower picks in this draft(think 3rd + 4th).

Agreed. I think Sather can flip him for something, especially since the team that acquires him can then buy him out for peanuts if he doesn't pan out. Low risk, high reward potential if he does regain the swagger he had earlier in his career.

Wolski can also make up some salary difference if Sather tries to flip someone on this roster (like Boyle or AA) for a top-6 scoring winger.

Fitzy 05-01-2011 09:39 AM

We're not going to buy out 3 players and pay an equivalent of 5 mil in cap space for players not to play.

Thats too much and too much to replace

Boom Boom Geoffrion* 05-01-2011 09:41 AM

Not to derail this thread, but it wouldn't kill me if Wolski was on the starting roster. I think Torts+Sully do a great job improving our younger players. Wolski's no spring chicken considering he's been in the league since the lockout, but he's still young. Unlike someone like Zherdev, I actually like Wolski too. He seems like a good dude, has undeniable talent, and certainly has upside.

Let our coaching staff have a whack at him for a full year before we consider him another failed experiment.

Boom Boom Geoffrion* 05-01-2011 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fitzy Duke of NY (Post 32801749)
We're not going to buy out 3 players and pay an equivalent of 5 mil in cap space for players not to play.

Thats too much and too much to replace

Is it 5M? Thought it would be lower than that by some..

How much cap space does it open up though?

What potential UFA+RFA's will we have next season?

Fitzy 05-01-2011 09:49 AM

These are rough, but im reading that Drury is 3.71, avery is 600k, and Wolly is 500k.

So thats like 4.8 mil next year.

Kicker is, the year after, Drury is 1.66, Wolly is .666, Avery would be around .666 too. So we're looking at near 3 million in hits for 2012-2013 as well.

Savings, only for next year would be like 3.5 mil for Drury, 3.3 mil for Wolly, 1.3 mil for Avery, so like 8 mil in space opened.

Remember that that leaves us with 3 new roster positions to be filled, and we add 3 mil the following year.

Panfork 05-01-2011 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Boom Boom Geoffrion (Post 32801688)
Any nerds want to do some Cap-Math for me?

How much cap space would we have if:

-Drury, Avery, Wolski is bought out
-Christensen is waived
-Boogaard is somehow voided

How much dead cap space would we have, and for how long. And how much cap space would open up.

Thanks, nerds~ ;) ;) ;) :razz:


2011
------
Chris Drury: $7,050,00 Cap hit, $3,716,667 Buyout hit, $3,333,333 savings.
Sean Avery: $1,937,500 Cap hit, $604,167 Buyout hit, $1,333,333 savings.
Wojtek Wolski: $3,800,000 Cap hit, $466,667 Buyout hit, $3,333,333 savings.
Boogaard: $1,625,000 Cap hit, $1,625,000 savings
Christensen: $925,000 Cap hit, $925,000 savings
Total
--
Original Cap Hit: $15,337,500
Buyout Cap Hit: $4,787,501
Savings: $10,549,999
Savings From Buyouts: $7,999,999

2012
-----
Chris Drury: $0 Cap hit, $1,666,667 Buyout hit, $-1,666,667 Savings
Sean Avery: $0 Cap hit, $666,667 Buyout hit, $-666,667 Savings
Wojtek Wolski: $0 Cap hit, $666,667 Buyout hit, $-666,667 Savings
Total
--
Original Cap Hit: $0
Buyout Cap Hit: $3,000,001
Savings: $-3,000,001



So, save $8M on buyouts one year, sacrifice $3.0M the following year. Worth it?

Punxrocknyc19* 05-01-2011 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Boom Boom Geoffrion (Post 32801776)
Not to derail this thread, but it wouldn't kill me if Wolski was on the starting roster. I think Torts+Sully do a great job improving our younger players. Wolski's no spring chicken considering he's been in the league since the lockout, but he's still young. Unlike someone like Zherdev, I actually like Wolski too. He seems like a good dude, has undeniable talent, and certainly has upside.

Let our coaching staff have a whack at him for a full year before we consider him another failed experiment.

id love to see Wolski given a chance at center. i hope they keep him. he is only 25 years old. maybe Wolski at center would help the rangers. Wolski can pass the puck, and yes he has played center in juniors and a little on the Avs and Yotes.

BBKers 05-01-2011 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boom Boom Geoffrion (Post 32801688)
Any nerds want to do some Cap-Math for me?

How much cap space would we have if:

-Drury, Avery, Wolski is bought out
-Christensen is waived
-Boogaard is somehow voided

How much dead cap space would we have, and for how long. And how much cap space would open up.

Thanks, nerds~ ;) ;) ;) :razz:

??? (XXXX) / ??? (XXXX) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Brandon Dubinsky (XXXX) / Artem Anisimov (XXXX) / Ryan Callahan (XXXX)
??? (XXXX) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / ??? (XXXX)
Ruslan Fedotenko ??? (XXXX) / Brian Boyle ($1.800m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
??? (XXXX), ???? (XXXX)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Mike Sauer (XXXX)
Michael Del Zotto or Pavel Valentenko ??? (XXXX) - RD ??? (XXXX)
Matt Gilroy ? (XXXX)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($0.875m)

BUYOUTS
Drury Buyout ($3.716m)
Avery Buyout ($0.604m)
Wolski Buyout ($0.466m)

WAIVED/RELEASED (Cap exempt)
Erik Christensen ($0.925m)
Derek Boogaard ($1.625)

Comitted salaries = 25.525
Buyouts = 4.786
Total Cap hit = 30.311
Expected cap = 62.400
Capspace left = 32.089
Intangible - ev overage from bonuses this year...

Left to sign:

1 LW ??? (Prospal?, trade, UFA, prospect...)
1 C ??? (Richards)
2 LW Dubinsky resign RFA
2 C Anisimov resign RFA
2 RW Callahan resign RFA
3 LW ??? MDZ, Prospect (Kreider, Hagelin, Grachev) , trade, UFA
3 RW ??? MDZ, Prospect (Thomas, Grachev...), trade, UFA
4 LW ??? Feds resign UFA
4 C Boyle resign RFA
13th FW ???
14th FW ???

2 RD Sauer resign RFA
3 LD ??? (MDZ or Valentenko?)
3 RD ??? (UFA)
7th D ??? Gilroy

Fill in the blanks...

Panfork 05-01-2011 10:02 AM

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.000m) - Brad Richards ($7.100m) - Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
UFA/Trade/Prospect LW ($???) - Artem Anisimov ($1.850m) - Ryan Callahan ($3.400m)
UFA/Trade/Prospect LW ($???) - Derek Stepan ($0.875m) - Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.400m) - Brian Boyle ($1.550m) - Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
Chris Drury ($3.716m) [BUYOUT]
Sean Avery ($0.604m) [BUYOUT]
Wojtek Wolski ($0.466m) [BUYOUT]

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) - Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) - Mike Sauer ($1.500m)
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) - UFA/Trade D ($???)
Matt Gilroy ($1.100m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $62,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,250,001; BONUSES: $1,487,500
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $7,349,999

Given everything happens in my last post, we resign only Dubinsky, Callahan, Boyle, Sauer, Gilroy, and Fedotenko for the amounts given, and Richards signs for $7.1M... that leaves us just over $7.3M to fill spots for a Top 6 Left Wing, Top 9 Left Wing, and 2nd or 3rd pair RD. That's not that bad. The $3M the following year is going to sting, however.

RangerBoy 05-01-2011 10:07 AM

Wolski is a 1/3 buyout. Essentially,Avery is also a 1/3 buyout. 1/2 of 2/3 is a 1/3.

If you buyout Wolski and Avery,the cap hits are $466,667 for Wolski and $604,166 for Avery next season. $1,070,833 combined. Frees up $4,666,667 for next season. Trade Christensen for a 5th round pick freeing up another $925,000.

Rangers take a $1,333,333 cap hit in 12-13 for Wolski and Avery.

Avery has no role on the team. The last two seasons have been disasters. Wolski played less than 10 minutes in game 4 which was almost a five period game.

Avery,Wolski and Christensen alternated between barely playing and being healthy scratches.

Boom Boom Geoffrion* 05-01-2011 10:10 AM

Good stuff boys. Exactly what I was looking for.

Prospal - Will come cheap. 1 year contract. Could play LW in our top-6. If and when he goes down, we have kids we can call up. Torts plays musical chairs with his roster anyway. Not a big deal if Prospal does miss time, and let's say, Grachev gets a some games.

Buying all these guys out does look good this season. I don't like how it looks the following year though. It's not that terrible though. Especially if the cap keeps growing a bit. We might not need that space next year if we don't have too many guys to re-sign. Guess a lot of that will be based on how long we re-sign our RFA's.

Panfork 05-01-2011 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Boom Boom Geoffrion (Post 32802050)
Good stuff boys. Exactly what I was looking for.

Prospal - Will come cheap. 1 year contract. Could play LW in our top-6. If and when he goes down, we have kids we can call up. Torts plays musical chairs with his roster anyway. Not a big deal if Prospal does miss time, and let's say, Grachev gets a some games.

Buying all these guys out does look good this season. I don't like how it looks the following year though. It's not that terrible though. Especially if the cap keeps growing a bit. We might not need that space next year if we don't have too many guys to re-sign. Guess a lot of that will be based on how long we re-sign our RFA's.

What worries me is that, since the CBA's contract ends after next year, the very wide speculation is that the Salary Cap will drop for the 2012-2013 season. That buyout is going to look a lot bigger if that does indeed happen, and that's going to be something that Sather & Co. are going to look into a lot. It's going to matter, big time.

TrollololBoyle 05-01-2011 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fitzy Duke of NY (Post 32801749)
We're not going to buy out 3 players and pay an equivalent of 5 mil in cap space for players not to play.

Thats too much and too much to replace

It depends on the situation.

Right now there is about $14 million in wasted cap space on the roster not including Redden.

Drury: $7,050,000
Wolski: $3,800,000
Avery: $1,937,500
TOTAL: $12,787,500

Buyout 2011-2012:
Drury: $3,716,667
Wolski: $466,667
Avery: $604,166.50
TOTAL: $4,787,500

Buyout: 2012-2013:
Drury: $1,666,667
Wolski: $666,667
Avery: $666,666
TOTAL: $3,000,000

You save $8 million for next year, in exchange for 1 more year of a $3 million cap hit.

We also need to shed salary regardless, or we can't re-sign our RFAs, let alone any UFAs.

With a supposed $3 million increase in the cap ($62.2mil) AND raises for Dubinsky, Callahan, Anisimov, Boyle, and Sauer (say $4m, $4m, $1.5m, $1.5m $1.5m), as well as a slight decrease in pay to Gilroy, the Rangers are -$1.35m in cap space. That's a roster of:

Avery-Christensen-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Wolski-Stepan-Zucarello
Boogaard-Boyle- Prust
Drury

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Sauer
Del Zotto-Gilroy
Redden

Lundqvist
Biron

Redden will be on the summer cap if something is not done, as will Drury, Wolski and Avery. Boogaard too. One or more of them will have to go, or else it will have to be somebody more valuable (like letting Dubinsky get offersheeted for picks).

The bottom line is that nothing can be done with those guys on the roster.

Boom Boom Geoffrion* 05-01-2011 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RangerBoy (Post 32802017)
Forget about Drury. Thread didn't include any Drury talk.

It didn't include any Wolski or Christensen talk either. :sarcasm: ;)

But seriously, not sure how much sense it makes to buy out Avery, considering his replacement will all but eliminate most of whatever we save from his buyout.

Buying out Wolski makes the most sense, unless he can be moved. He turns 26 in February. Teams acquiring him can have a good look for a few months before he crosses the threshold.

Vitto79 05-01-2011 12:33 PM

rather just play him for one more yr at 2 million and if he starts crap waive him. Someom may take him on waivers foir the rest of the season

They can't just buy out everyone . Drury fine yea see ya but I keep Wolski and Avery and just let them expire next yr

vipernsx 05-01-2011 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fitzy Duke of NY (Post 32801749)
We're not going to buy out 3 players and pay an equivalent of 5 mil in cap space for players not to play.

Thats too much and too much to replace

They paid Redden 6.5m to play in the minors for one year and the plan is to pay him 23m over 4 years to stay there. I don't see the problem in buying out 3 players and spending 5 million over 2 years to do it.


I think there are better options then buying out Drury. Whether its a deal for Commodore, Huselius, Kuba, or Olesz, then buyout one of those guys players. There are options that make sense for other teams and the Rangers.

Zuccarello Awesome* 05-01-2011 01:07 PM

Why can't we just assign Avery to the AHL for the year?

Panfork 05-01-2011 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zuccarello Awesome (Post 32803863)
Why can't we just assign Avery to the AHL for the year?

:facepalm: Classic.

Problem? Bury it in the minors! Don't mind the fact that a young players' spot will be taken in the farm team.

Hartford is packed as it is, no pun intended. I'd really prefer it if we'd stop suggesting dumping every problem in the minors. It really needs to end at some point.

TheRedViper 05-01-2011 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by vipernsx (Post 32803814)
They paid Redden 6.5m to play in the minors for one year and the plan is to pay him 23m over 4 years to stay there. I don't see the problem in buying out 3 players and spending 5 million over 2 years to do it.


I think there are better options then buying out Drury. Whether its a deal for Commodore, Huselius, Kuba, or Olesz, then buyout one of those guys players. There are options that make sense for other teams and the Rangers.

The problem isn't the actual money spent, it's the 5 in dead cap space for 2 years that isn't doable.

bobbop 05-01-2011 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Punxrocknyc19 (Post 32801958)
id love to see Wolski given a chance at center. i hope they keep him. he is only 25 years old. maybe Wolski at center would help the rangers. Wolski can pass the puck, and yes he has played center in juniors and a little on the Avs and Yotes.

Don't you guys believe me? The Coyoters tried Wolski at center. It was a train wreck.


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