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vetleh 05-03-2011 08:30 PM

Underestimating MZA
 
When i see people project next years line combos, many not even mention MZA. He had a very good first season and if he had played all the games he would had around the same amount as Stepan in points. Sure he had a bit of a tough ending on the season, but we have to remember that he is not used to play so many games and he worked so hard when he played. If he uses this summer well and add some muscle and speed (confidence) im sure he's gonne be a big asset to rangers. This team lack skill and with WW and EC possibly gone he is our best penalty guy left! I think we even could see him on the first line:naughty: what do you guys think? how many points can he make next season?

E Nixson 05-03-2011 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by vetleh (Post 32850102)
When i see people project next years line combos, many not even mention MZA. He had a very good first season and if he had played all the games he would had around the same amount as Stepan in points. Sure he had a bit of a tough ending on the season, but we have to remember that he is not used to play so many games and he worked so hard when he played. If he uses this summer well and add some muscle and speed (confidence) im sure he's gonne be a big asset to rangers. This team lack skill and with WW and EC possibly gone he is our best penalty guy left! I think we even could see him on the first line:naughty: what do you guys think? how many points can he make next season?

If he earns a spot in training camp he will play. Torts is very fair in that regard.

Clowes Line 05-03-2011 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by New England Hockey (Post 32850260)
If he earns a spot in training camp he will play. Torts is very fair in that regard.

^That. Torts rewards players who deserve playing time. He doesn't play favorites. Zucc will have to earn his spot

eco's bones 05-03-2011 08:39 PM

There are things he has to work on but I think he's going to be at least a very good NHL'er.

NYR Viper 05-03-2011 08:41 PM

I think he will definitely be the 3rd line RW next season. I REALLY like Thomas, who is also a RW, but I don't see the Rangers rushing him into the NHL.

MZA also with a little more experience, I think, can be a VERY good PP player. Just get him off the ******* point.

SupersonicMonkey* 05-03-2011 09:02 PM

He has a lot of skill and smarts but his size and (lack of) strength effected him.

He wasn't able to win races to pucks either.

A guy his size that isn't particularly fast, and is relatively weak compared to bigger stronger players, he's not going to last unless he vastly improves his skating and core strength.

I like the guy, and appreciate his effort.

But again, he needs to improve his skating a lot, and his strength a lot.

Clowes Line 05-03-2011 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by New England Hockey (Post 32850260)
If he earns a spot in training camp he will play. Torts is very fair in that regard.

^That. Torts rewards players who deserve playing time. He doesn't play favorites. Zucc will have to earn his spot

Miller Time NYR 05-03-2011 09:24 PM

How'd I know a norweign started this thread lol.

Like many others have said he will have to earn his spot and will get fair playing time.

broadwayblue 05-03-2011 09:34 PM

If he could work on his release he'd get a lot better results. Seems like he got his shot blocked more than anyone else.

Swept In Seven 05-03-2011 09:40 PM

I think he is going to make the team, but he is going to have to earn his spot. Hopefully he comes in motivated and works on his speed and never sees AHL ice again

Swept In Seven 05-03-2011 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by broadwayblue (Post 32852312)
If he could work on his release he'd get a lot better results. Seems like he got his shot blocked more than anyone else.

not possible, Gaborik takes the prize on that one :laugh:

Zil 05-03-2011 09:42 PM

He needs to add some combination of strength and speed. Barring that, he's going to have a hard time staying on an NHL roster.

Mr Atoz* 05-03-2011 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by vetleh (Post 32850102)
He had a very good first season

He played 42 games and scored 6 goals.

If that's very good what would very bad be?

CM PUNK 05-03-2011 10:14 PM

3rd line rw spot is his to loose at this point...his contract might hurt him though cause he makes alot cap-wise to just be a shootout specialist. he'll need to improve his overall game, but you'd hope that from any 2nd year player

point-wise he would have been even with stepan over a full season, but with 1/2 the goals. can mza elevate himself to 20ish goals? i hope he can but i'm not sure.

his spot is one of the forward positions that i look at as potential to upgrade depending on what deals are available. for the same $$ you can probably get a guy that is bigger, stronger and a more proven scorer...but i would LOVE for mza to be the guy and bloom into a regular scorer on stepan's wing

Zil 05-03-2011 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Atoz (Post 32853232)
He played 42 games and scored 6 goals.

If that's very good what would very bad be?

He had 23 points in 42 games. What, do assists not count now? The fact that he's more of a playmaker than a shooter should not be used as a point against him. IF he adds speed and strength, then he can help us. I'm not bullish on him, but give him some credit.

BlueshirtBlitz 05-03-2011 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Atoz (Post 32853232)
He played 42 games and scored 6 goals.

If that's very good what would very bad be?

Do assists not matter anymore, especially when he's a playmaker?

wolfgaze 05-03-2011 10:45 PM

If MZA outplays the other players competing for a roster spot, he'll have a spot on the team. As others have pointed out, Torts has been more than fair with how he's managed his bench/roster in terms of rewarding players who are deserving of playing time.

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Originally Posted by Mr Atoz (Post 32853232)
He played 42 games and scored 6 goals.

If that's very good what would very bad be?

That's 3 more goals than Avery in 34 less games.

darko 05-03-2011 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Atoz (Post 32853232)
He played 42 games and scored 6 goals.

If that's very good what would very bad be?


12 goals over a full season. 7 less than Henrik Sedin. ;)

Mr Atoz* 05-03-2011 10:50 PM

Yes, he had such a great year that he was sent down just before the playoffs after being benched. :sarcasm:

BlueshirtBlitz 05-03-2011 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Atoz (Post 32854589)
Yes, he had such a great year that he was sent down just before the playoffs after being benched. :sarcasm:

He had a better year than our good friend Sean Avery. Over a full year he would've had a better year than a lot of people, actually.

But let's ignore the fact he's a tiny rookie from Sweden, yeah?

Puckslinger 05-03-2011 10:53 PM

There just seemed to be something missing there down the stretch. I'm not sure what it was. I'm hoping he can find it in him to become more of a factor in the end part of the season and the playoffs.

The question is will the NYR take a chance with a developmental roster spot on him again next year only to risk having him fade when the going gets tough and the defenses tighten up?

I'm guessing there's enough upside — his production was good during the season — and that they will, assuming he beats out the competition in camp

darko 05-03-2011 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Atoz (Post 32854589)
Yes, he had such a great year that he was sent down just before the playoffs after being benched. :sarcasm:


They play around 50-55 games in SEL if I recall correctly. Zuke played alot more games this season (AHL and NHL). Dont forget that he's also a little guy.

Zil 05-03-2011 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Atoz (Post 32854589)
Yes, he had such a great year that he was sent down just before the playoffs after being benched. :sarcasm:

Now you're just being asinine. The kid had 23 points in 42 games. At the same time, he clearly couldn't handle the level of physical play down the stretch. Hopefully he gets stronger and faster. I'm not sure he will, but it's absurd to act like he didn't show us anything skill-wise this season.

nyr2k2 05-04-2011 02:53 AM

If he can bulk up, he'll be just fine.

Beacon 05-04-2011 03:14 AM

I don't think he can get both faster and bigger this summer. Extra weight slows you down until you get used to it. Zucca will have to choose between one and the other to make major progress. If he gets significantly stronger while keeping his speed or if he gets much faster while gaining 5 pounds, he will crack the Rangers as a regular top-9 forward. Then he can work on the second thing next summer.

To expect him to gain 15 pounds while significanly increasing his speed, all in three months, is not reasonable.


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