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Foppa2118 05-05-2011 08:07 PM

Colorado Avalanche Cap Thread
 
11/12 Avs Roster Under ContractCompensationCap Number
Paul Stastny$6,600,000$6,600,000
Gabriel Landeskog$925,000$3,575,000
Jan Hejda$3,250,000$3,250,000
Matt Duchene$900,000$3,200,000
Kyle Quincey$3,250,000$3,125,000
Milan Hejduk$2,600,000$3,000,000
Semyon Varlamov$2,500,000$2,833,333
Erik Johnson$3,000,000$2,600,000
David Jones$2,500,000$2,500,000
Peter Mueller$2,500,000$2,000,000
Ryan O'Byrne$1,800,000$1,800,000
Matt Hunwick$1,550,000$1,550,000
Jay McClement$1,500,000$1,450,000
Ryan Wilson$1,275,000$1,275,000
J.S. Giguerre$1,250,000$1,250,000
Chuck Kobasew$1,250,000$1,250,000
Shane O'Brien$1,100,000$1,100,000
Cody McLeod$900,000$1,033,333
Daniel Winnik$1,000,000$950,000
Ryan O'Reilly$900,000$900,000
Kevin Porter$850,000$850,000
Brandon Yip$750,000$725,000
T.J. Galiardi$700,000$700,000
   
Tom Preissing Buyout$916,667$916,667
Total$43,666,667$48,433,333


11/12 Avs Prospects and System Players Under ContractCompensationBonus IncentivesCap Number
Duncan Siemens$925,000$425,000$1,350,000
Joey Hishon$900,000$300,000$1,200,000
Cameron Gaunce$875,000$0$875,000
Trevor Cann$612,500$275,000$875,000
Michael Carman$610,000$240,000$850,000
Mark Olver$610,000$240,000$850,000
Stefan Elliott$790,000$0$843,333
Calvin Pickard$790,000$0$843,333
Ryan Stoa$803,250$0$803,250
Jonas Holos$625,000$0$785,000
Zach Cohen$575,000$160,000$735,000
Tyson Barrie$615,000$0$715,000
Kyle Cumiskey$708,750$0$708,750
Brad Malone$600,000$0$687,500
Joakim Lindstrom$600,000$0$600,000
Joel Chouinard$575,000$0$566,667
Luke Walker$575,000$0$563,333
David Van Der Gulik$525,000$0$525,000
Greg Mauldin$525,000$0$525,000
Patrick Bordeleau$525,000$0$525,000
David Liffiton$525,000$0$525,000
Justin Mercier$525,000$0$525,000
Patrick Rissmiller$525,000$0$525,000
Cedrick Desjardins$650,000$0$650,000
Evan Brophey   


11/12 UFA's

Milan Hejduk - $3,000,000 (Re-signed)
Tomas Fleischmann - $2,600,000 - Signed with Florida
Adam Foote - $1,250,000 (Retired)
Peter Budaj - $1,250,000 - Signed with Montreal
David Koci - $575,000

John Grahame - $500k
Jason Bacashihua - $500k
David Van Der Gulik - Re-signed
Greg Mauldin - Re-signed
Shawn Belle - $600k
David Liffiton - Re-signed
Julian Talbot - $550k
Ben Walter - $500k

11/12 RFA's

T.J. Galiardi - $875,000 ($637,500) - QO is $701,250 - Re-signed
David Jones - $837,500 ($850k) - Re-signed
Ryan O'Byrne - $941,667 ($1.4 M) - Re-signed
Kevin Porter - $660,000 ($660k) - Re-signed
Matt Hunwick - $1,450,000 ($1.550 M) - Re-signed
Brian Elliott - $850,000 ($900k) - Not Qualified - Signed with St. Louis
Kyle Cumiskey - $600,000 ($675k) - QO is $708,750
Ryan Wilson - $551,667 ($530k) - Re-signed
Ryan Stoa - $850,000 ($850k) - QO is $892,500 - Re-signed

Justin Mercier - $735,000 ($575k) - QO is $632,500 - Re-signed
Tom Fritsche - $566,666 ($525k) - QO is $577,500
Harrison Reed - $533,333 ($555k) - QO is $610,500
Philippe Dupuis - $500,000 ($500k) - QO is $550,000 - Signed with Toronto



Links to previous season's Cap Number Threads

10/11 - http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p...0#post25467200
09/10 - http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=651250
08/09 - http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=529742
07/08 - http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=368222
06/07 - http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=263797

Foppa2118 05-05-2011 08:09 PM

With the cap talk and signings of the youngsters, it's that time again for this thread.

As always, feel free to point out any mistakes you may see. More info to be added later.

Belgican 05-06-2011 02:30 PM

Colby Cohen is not an Avs prospect anymore :(

Do you know the cap hit, and the cap minimum ?

Foppa2118 05-06-2011 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belgican (Post 32902507)
Colby Cohen is not an Avs prospect anymore :(

Do you know the cap hit, and the cap minimum ?

Had my head still stuck in the sand over that brilliant use of assets.

They haven't announced the cap max and mins yet, but there was a report in April that it could rise to around $62.2 M. It's risen every year, so it likely will again.

Remember the first year where Bettman insisted they needed a hard cap of $37.5 M that forced Colorado to start ripping their team apart? :shakehead

Freudian 05-06-2011 07:05 PM

It will be fun to see what the team does when it has to go out and spend money. I can't see us getting to the floor with what we have.

It does bode well for us being able to re-sign Fleischmann, I guess. He was such a good fit here and we need to spend a bit.

WarriorOfGandhi 05-06-2011 09:50 PM

This offseason is going to last for-****ing-ever

S E P H 05-07-2011 12:25 PM

This is what I would do if I was the GM.


Avs
Resign - Forwards
Milan Hejduk [1 year - 3.3M]
Tomas Fleischmann [2/3 years - 3.2M per year]
TJ Galiardi [2 years - 1.2M per year]
David Jones [3 years - 1.6M per year]
Kevin Porter [1 year - 700K]
Justin Mercier [2 years - 820K per year] (Depth)
David Koci [1 year - 600K] (Depth)
Philippe Dupuis [1 year - 575K] (Depth)
Greg Mauldin [2 years - 600K per year] (Depth)
Julian Talbot [1 year - 570K] (Depth)
Ben Walter [2 years - 650K per year] (Depth)

Resign - Defense/Goalers
Ryan O'Byrne [3 years - 1.7 per year]
Ryan Wilson [2 years - 650K per year]
Brian Elliott [2 years - 920K per year]
Jason Bacashihua [1 year - 600K] (Depth)
Shawn Belle [1 year - 630K] (Depth)

Let Go
David Van Der Gulik (UFA)
Matt Hunwick (Trade Bait)
Kyle Cumiskey (Trade Bait)
Ryan Stoa (Trade Bait)
Peter Budaj (UFA)
John Grahame (UFA/Retire?)
Tom Fritsche (RFA)
Raymond Macias (RFA)
Harrison Reed (RFA)
David Liffiton (RFA)


Draft
2nd - Adam Larsson
11th - Mark McNeill

Sign FA
Tomas Vokoun [2/3 years - 5.5M per year]
Josh Harding [1 year - 1.8M per year] (If Vokoun is too expensive]
Eric Brewer [3/4 years - 4.8M per year]
Matt Climie [2 years - 830K per year] (Depth)
Raffi Torres [2 years - 1.5M per year]

F
Peter Mueller / Paul Stastny [C] / David Jones
Tomas Fleischmann / Matt Duchene / Milan Hejduk (A)
TJ Galiradi / Ryan O'Rielly / Jay McClement
Daniel Winnik / Kevin Porter / Raffi Torres

Cody McLeod
Phillippe Dupuis
Brandon Yip

D
Kyle Quincey - Erik Johnson (A)
Eric Brewer - Adam Larsson
Ryan O'Byrne - JM Liles

Ryan Wilson
David Koci
Cameron Gaunce

G
Tomas Vokoun
Brian Elliott

Matt Climie

If Brewer is too expensive for the Avs office then sign Hal Gill. He was teaching Subban very good this year and brings veteran leadership. If Mueller is done, then we have good depth that could step right in.

S E P H 05-07-2011 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarriorOfGandhi (Post 32911682)
This offseason is going to last for-****ing-ever

Nothing could be worst than last year.

S E P H 05-07-2011 12:53 PM

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Peter Mueller ($2.000m) / Paul Stastny ($6.600m) / David Jones ($1.600m)
Tomas Fleischmann ($3.200m) / Matt Duchene ($3.200m) / Milan Hejduk ($3.300m)
T.J. Galiardi ($1.200m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($0.900m) / Jay McClement ($1.450m)
Daniel Winnik ($0.950m) / Kevin Porter ($0.700m) / Raffi Torres ($1.500m)
Cody McLeod ($1.033m) / Philippe Dupuis ($0.575m) / Brandon Yip ($0.725m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kyle Quincey ($3.125m) / Erik Johnson ($2.600m)
Eric Brewer ($4.800m) / Adam Larsson ($0.500m)
Ryan O'Byrne ($1.700m) / John-Michael Liles ($4.200m)
Jonas Holos ($0.785m) / Cameron Gaunce ($0.845m)
/ Ryan Wilson ($0.650m)

GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($5.500m) / Brian Elliott ($0.920m)

BUYOUTS: Tom Preissing ($0.916m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,475,833; BONUSES: $5,647,500
CAP SPACE (26-man roster): $3,924,167

Yipperfan 05-07-2011 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S E P H (Post 32918979)
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Peter Mueller ($2.000m) / Paul Stastny ($6.600m) / David Jones ($1.600m)
Tomas Fleischmann ($3.200m) / Matt Duchene ($3.200m) / Milan Hejduk ($3.300m)
T.J. Galiardi ($1.200m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($0.900m) / Jay McClement ($1.450m)
Daniel Winnik ($0.950m) / Kevin Porter ($0.700m) / Raffi Torres ($1.500m)
Cody McLeod ($1.033m) / Philippe Dupuis ($0.575m) / Brandon Yip ($0.725m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kyle Quincey ($3.125m) / Erik Johnson ($2.600m)
Eric Brewer ($4.800m) / Adam Larsson ($0.500m)
Ryan O'Byrne ($1.700m) / John-Michael Liles ($4.200m)
Jonas Holos ($0.785m) / Cameron Gaunce ($0.845m)
/ Ryan Wilson ($0.650m)

GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($5.500m) / Brian Elliott ($0.920m)

BUYOUTS: Tom Preissing ($0.916m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,475,833; BONUSES: $5,647,500
CAP SPACE (26-man roster): $3,924,167

Overall it's a decent upgrade from last season. However, we are still thin upfront in terms of goalscoring if Mueller is a no show or injured.

It's amazing how close we are to the cap with just a few moves!

Q: Is the cap hit for Larsson 500k? If so it must be ajusted to the max rookie salary plus bonuses which should bring is cap hit over 3M.

S E P H 05-07-2011 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yipperfan (Post 32923199)
Overall it's a decent upgrade from last season. However, we are still thin upfront in terms of goalscoring if Mueller is a no show or injured.

It's amazing how close we are to the cap with just a few moves!

Q: Is the cap hit for Larsson 500k? If so it must be ajusted to the max rookie salary plus bonuses which should bring is cap hit over 3M.

I copied Hedman's salary, 500K ELC and 3,000,000 bonus which should bring it to 3.5M, but Cap Geek didn't update it or something.

Ivan13 05-08-2011 03:29 AM

Avs are currently sitting with a 28mil cap hit. The new cap floor should be 46.2mil. So they have a little money to throw around.


Avs
Resign - Forwards
Milan Hejduk [1 year - 3.0M]
Tomas Fleischmann [2 years - 3.0M per year]
TJ Galiardi [2 years - 1.2M per year]
David Jones [2 years - 2.5M per year]
Kevin Porter [1 year - 700K]
Justin Mercier [2 years - 820K per year] (AHL)
David Koci [1 year - 600K] (Depth)
Philippe Dupuis [1 year - 575K] (AHL)
Greg Mauldin [2 years - 600K per year] (AHL)
Julian Talbot [1 year - 570K] (AHL)
Ben Walter [2 years - 650K per year] (AHL)
Ryan Stoa [2years - 800K] (AHL)

Resign - Defense/Goalies
Ryan O'Byrne [2 years - 1,5 per year]
Ryan Wilson [2 years - 650K per year]
Peter Budaj [2 years - 1 mil per year]
Jason Bacashihua [1 year - 600K] (AHL)
Shawn Belle [1 year - 630K] (AHL)

Let Go
David Van Der Gulik (UFA)
Matt Hunwick (Trade Bait)
Kyle Cumiskey (Trade Bait)
Brian Elliott(RFA)
John Grahame (UFA/Retire?)
Tom Fritsche (RFA)
Raymond Macias (RFA)
Harrison Reed (RFA)
David Liffiton (RFA)
JM Liles (trade)

Draft
2nd - Adam Larsson
11th - Duncan Siemens or Zibanejad if he falls

Sign FA
Ty Conklin [2 years - 1.8 per year]
Josh Harding [1 year - 1.8M per year], or Turco [1 year - 1.4M per year]
Eric Brewer [2 years - 4.25M per year]
Joni Pitkanen [2 years - 4.25M per year]
Raffi Torres [2 years - 1.5M per year]
Jussi Jokinen [2 years - 2.5M per year] or Alex Tanguay [2 years - 2.5M per year]

F
Jokinen / Paul Stastny [C] / David Jones
Tomas Fleischmann / Matt Duchene / Milan Hejduk (A)
TJ Galiradi / Ryan O'Rielly / Jay McClement
Daniel Winnik / Kevin Porter / Raffi Torres

Cody McLeod
Phillippe Dupuis
Brandon Yip

D
Eric Brewer - Erik Johnson (A)
Joni Pitkanen - Adam Larsson
Kyle Quincey - Ryan O'Byrne

Ryan Wilson
David Koci
Cameron Gaunce

G
Ty Conklin
Josh Harding

Peter Budaj

Trading Liles for picks or prospects would force them to spend another 4 mil, bringing both Brewer and Pitkanen is a stretch, but it would fit nicely. Jokinen is really good, and i think that signing of at least 1 LW is a must do, because i don't see Mueller coming back (I hope i'm wrong, but it seems he's done). If they make all these moves, Avs cap hit would be around 55mil, that's highly unlikely but we can always hope.


Thanks for the template S E P H

R S 05-08-2011 08:13 AM

Someone should work out how much the Avs will have to spend to reach the cap floor after re-signing some of their RFA's.

Then we will know how much they NEED to spend, because I don't see them spending much over the cap.

And I also don't see them signing guys like Conlkin and Jokinen.

Ivan13 05-08-2011 08:26 AM

Cap floor will most likely be 46.2mil, if Avs sign all their free agents for the amounts I predicted + 3.5mil for Larsson if they draft him, they will carry a cap hit of 45.5mil.

R S 05-08-2011 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivan13 (Post 32930053)
Cap floor will most likely be 46.2mil, if Avs sign all their free agents for the amounts I predicted + 3.5mil for Larsson if they draft him, they will carry a cap hit of 45.5mil.

How will it cost the Avs that much for Larsson? Won't it just be the rookie max of like 900k? I didn't think Bonuses were added to the teams overall cap hit.

Ivan13 05-08-2011 08:40 AM

Look at Dutchys contract at capgeek. His salary would be around 1mil + bonus.

http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1527

R S 05-08-2011 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ivan13 (Post 32930125)
Look at Dutchys contract at capgeek. His salary would be around 1mil + bonus.

http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1527

Oh ok, yeah, makes sense I guess.

That must make it tough for teams though to predict what their cap hits will be throughout various points of the year.

Foppa2118 05-08-2011 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade Stylings (Post 32930103)
How will it cost the Avs that much for Larsson? Won't it just be the rookie max of like 900k? I didn't think Bonuses were added to the teams overall cap hit.

All the performance bonuses count against the cap until it's literally impossible to achieve them, which in a lot of cases doesn't happen until after the last game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by S E P H (Post 32918979)
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Peter Mueller ($2.000m) / Paul Stastny ($6.600m) / David Jones ($1.600m)
Tomas Fleischmann ($3.200m) / Matt Duchene ($3.200m) / Milan Hejduk ($3.300m)
T.J. Galiardi ($1.200m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($0.900m) / Jay McClement ($1.450m)
Daniel Winnik ($0.950m) / Kevin Porter ($0.700m) / Raffi Torres ($1.500m)
Cody McLeod ($1.033m) / Philippe Dupuis ($0.575m) / Brandon Yip ($0.725m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kyle Quincey ($3.125m) / Erik Johnson ($2.600m)
Eric Brewer ($4.800m) / Adam Larsson ($0.500m)
Ryan O'Byrne ($1.700m) / John-Michael Liles ($4.200m)
Jonas Holos ($0.785m) / Cameron Gaunce ($0.845m)
/ Ryan Wilson ($0.650m)

GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($5.500m) / Brian Elliott ($0.920m)

BUYOUTS: Tom Preissing ($0.916m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $59,400,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,475,833; BONUSES: $5,647,500
CAP SPACE (26-man roster): $3,924,167

You have three too many players on that roster though. The max is 23.

Also for those referencing Cap Geek's numbers, their cap total is slightly more than what we have here because they have Cameron Gaunce listed with the NHL regulars. I would consider him with the other prospects since he'll be battling it out for a spot just like the rest of them.

S E P H 05-08-2011 12:43 PM

I also included depth players. :)

Foppa2118 05-08-2011 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S E P H (Post 32932234)
I also included depth players. :)

Right but the depth players are usually the three players you have sitting out from the 20 man lineup.

I'd say from your lineup you could probably leave Torres out, and put Gaunce and Holos in the minors.

S E P H 05-08-2011 12:55 PM

Besides McLeod we lack hitting and size. Torres brings both of those, too easy to shutdown our offensive game.

Rupp, Talbot, or Dupuis are other players that would benefit our team. All of them can forecheck, play PK, and throw around their body. Pittsburgh can't keep all 3 due to cap trouble so we could one of these players.

Duchene2MacKinnon 05-08-2011 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S E P H (Post 32932343)
Besides McLeod we lack hitting and size. Torres brings both of those, too easy to shutdown our offensive game.

Rupp, Talbot, or Dupuis are other players that would benefit our team. All of them can forecheck, play PK, and throw around their body. Pittsburgh can't keep all 3 due to cap trouble so we could one of these players.

eew NO thanks!

PeterTheGreat 05-08-2011 03:14 PM

Hell no to Torres.

Yipperfan 05-08-2011 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterTheGreat (Post 32933952)
Hell no to Torres.

Why not? He's so much better than McLeod (for the same cap hit) it's not even funny.

Duchene2MacKinnon 05-09-2011 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yipperfan (Post 32941981)
Why not? He's so much better than McLeod (for the same cap hit) it's not even funny.

Contrary to popular believe Mcleod is an adequate 4th line player, Torres on the other hand is a cheap shot artist, a step below Cooke.


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