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Habsterix* 05-08-2011 10:37 AM

Benoit Pouliot: not tendered qualifying offer (June 27)
 

Sitting at his table at the amateur draft back in 2005, having to select fifth overall, Bob Gainey has his plan of action. His target? Benoit Pouliot, a 6’2″ French-Canadian winger who just finished his rookie season with the Sudbury Wolves with 67 points including 29 goals in 67 games. However, the Minnesota Wild picks him just ahead of the Canadiens… who then have to go to plan B: Carey Price.

Pouliot returned to the Wolves where he collected 65 points, 35 of them goals, in only 51 games. He then struggled to bring his game to the next level, going back and forth between Houston and Minnesota for the next 3 years, before being traded to the Canadiens on November 23, 2009 for Guillaume Latendresse. We know the rest. Pouliot finished the season strong collecting 15 goals in 39 games for the Habs, playing on a line with Scott Gomez and Brian Gionta.

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Emanresu Wen 05-08-2011 10:43 AM

He can be even more frustrating that Andrei at times


It's like if he always wants to rush everything, never slows down to take a better decision

And he falls at least 3 times every game

That being said, I wouldn't let im go, I'd rater see Moen walk

A line of Pouliot-Desharnais-Eller would be amazing

googlymoogly 05-08-2011 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emanresu Wen (Post 32931019)
He can be even more frustrating that Andrei at times


It's like if he always wants to rush everything, never slows down to take a better decision

And he falls at least 3 times every game

Falls three times a game:amazed:
More like three times a shift:laugh:


:sarcasm:

Hard to say if he can turn it around. I'd love to see Montreal package him with their first if they can get a team to bite. Do this to pick up Zibenijad.

SlappyMcGee 05-08-2011 10:50 AM

Halfway through the season I was thinking he was the next big star of the team. But at the end, he was so awful, I don't even know. He made Gomez look like a professional hockey player in the POs...

Zeroknowledge* 05-08-2011 10:59 AM

FLOP

I don't care if he goes on and scores 40 in 2 years, I just don't want him here next year.

coolasprICE 05-08-2011 11:01 AM

the risk of giving up on him now exceeds the reward of replacing his ~1m cap hit

He's got good hands, skating, shooting and reach... plus decent vision

He has horrible balance, confidence is fragile, needs to improve his play, focus and discipline in tight / defensive playoff type games.

At the very worst, he's a 15-20 goal scorer who you sit out come PO time.

At 1 million cap hit, I don't see much harm in that.

I would take 7 Pouliot's over 1 Gomez ;)

Subban76 05-08-2011 11:04 AM

He's mommy's little boy. Did you guys see the Nos Canadiens show on him?

Not mentaly though enough to play here.

Bye Bye Le Poulet :laugh:

Don't care if he does great somewhere else, he will never do it here.

Get a 3rd for him and I'll be happy.

Sports1131 05-08-2011 11:05 AM

I'm pretty sure he's done with the Canadiens. One of the most talented players on the team, but aside from the few weeks after the Latendresse trade he's been a complete waste of space.

OpenIceHit 05-08-2011 11:08 AM

24 years old, big, fast and some decent offensive skills. I'd give him one more year to prove himself. I'm sure he'll be a great player one day, but I don't know it will be with Jacques Martin...

Dekar 05-08-2011 11:19 AM

I wanted this guy's head on a platter after the playoffs were over, but after having some time to think about it, it seems like he's going through a bit of growing pains a la Kostitsyn as someone pointed out. I just hope they don't last as long. I think he needs a bit of veteran guidance to reacquire some confidence. He's really looked lost out there more often than not towards the end of the season, and I think his fighting and aggressive (read: dumb) penalties, especially in the offensive zone, are a result of him trying to compensate for what he can't seem to find elsewhere, that being his offensive groove.

xduckiex 05-08-2011 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OpenIceHit (Post 32931274)
24 years old, big, fast and some decent offensive skills. I'd give him one more year to prove himself. I'm sure he'll be a great player one day, but I don't know it will be with Jacques Martin...

Actually, I think his best chance to succeed is with Martin. Martin has coached him before and I believe they are close off the ice. I would say that was one of the reasons they made the trade for him, because Martin knew exactly what they were getting

Garry Valk 05-08-2011 11:49 AM

Had to be tough losing his father so quickly. Obviously affected him, with the DUI. I suspect he gets better the farther away he gets from that. I'd definitely give him another year. But he needs to be used in an offensive role.

Pr3Va1L 05-08-2011 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolasprICE (Post 32931205)
the risk of giving up on him now exceeds the reward of replacing his ~1m cap hit

He's got good hands, skating, shooting and reach... plus decent vision

He has horrible balance, confidence is fragile, needs to improve his play, focus and discipline in tight / defensive playoff type games.

At the very worst, he's a 15-20 goal scorer who you sit out come PO time.

At 1 million cap hit, I don't see much harm in that.

I would take 7 Pouliot's over 1 Gomez ;)



That is so true it actually hurts.

pine 05-08-2011 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolasprICE (Post 32931205)
the risk of giving up on him now exceeds the reward of replacing his ~1m cap hit

He's got good hands, skating, shooting and reach... plus decent vision

He has horrible balance, confidence is fragile, needs to improve his play, focus and discipline in tight / defensive playoff type games.

At the very worst, he's a 15-20 goal scorer who you sit out come PO time.

At 1 million cap hit, I don't see much harm in that.

I would take 7 Pouliot's over 1 Gomez ;)

Yeah let's bench 7 forwards in the playoffs.

JHabs 05-08-2011 12:08 PM

Nice read.

I've had my gripe with Pools for awhile now, but I've wanted AK gone for 2 seasons, if they give up now on BP, when they opted to keep AK46 for way longer then I thought they should have, well then Im confused as to where they expect players to develop.

People wanted a miracle with BP, and truth is he is a work in progress, a project that needs time, You can see the flashes, and what not but then you can also see why he is so frustrating to watch.

I still believe BP will be a top 6 forward one day, whether its with us or not is unknown, but our pattern suggests we let go of players for next to nothing and they fluorish somewhere else. Why we let them go is another story in its own, but point is they are producing on other team being the types of players we need, while we are desperately looking for another Top 6 for the umpteenth year. If we trade Pouliot I want an impact player coming back. 1-1 obviously wont happen, but Pouliot, A 1st, Weber, and Kristo or something like that ought to get you something useful, and NO Penner is a DO NOT WANT for me, what a friggn waste of a trade for LA.

Also People need to remember Pouliot has only played his 2nd full season in the NHL, Andrei is on like his 5th or 6th.

Sports1131 05-08-2011 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yarfangor (Post 32931913)
I've had my gripe with Pools for awhile now, but I've wanted AK gone for 2 seasons, if they give up now on BP, when they opted to keep AK46 for way longer then I thought they should have, well then Im confused as to where they expect players to develop.

Kostitsyn is a MUCH better player than Pouliot. I have a feeling he will be given away this summer like his brother was last year, but even with his inconstency Andrei is clearly a top-six NHL forward. I'm not convinced Pouliot will be in the league in a few years.

Habsterix* 05-08-2011 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xduckiex (Post 32931512)
Actually, I think his best chance to succeed is with Martin. Martin has coached him before and I believe they are close off the ice. I would say that was one of the reasons they made the trade for him, because Martin knew exactly what they were getting

I strongly disagree. While it's true that the Canadiens knew exactly what they were getting, Gauthier was there with Timmins and Gainey when they wanted to draft him 5th overall so it has very little to do with Martin.

People can try to defend Martin all they want on different topics, but he is the worst coach for young players and he has shown it in several occasions since taking over.

Young players will make mistakes, it's part of gaining experience. Martin punishes young players for making the same mistakes veterans make, yet they're the only ones being punished. What this does is that it mines their confidence.

I would personally play the hell out of Pouliot for 30-40 games, on the top 6 including on the second PP unit and that, no matter the mistakes.

The organization though, under Martin, won't give him that chance unless Pouliot can, somehow, do what Pacioretty and Subban did, which is getting the crowd on their side and getting their name chanted at the Bell Centre! Since it is unrealistic to think this will happen, I'm fully expecting Pouliot to be traded for nothing and produce, like Latendresse, Sergei and D'Agostini before him did.

SNM87 05-08-2011 12:20 PM

Benoit Pouliot.......don't know what more to say except......tons of raw talent and lots of potential. He also had tons of raw talent and lots of potential when he was drafted into the league 5 years ago......and nothing has happened yet. He needs to work on his play without the puck, as well as his balance.....I have never seen a guy fall down so much untouched as this guy does. You look at him and you see a 6"3, 200 lb winger....you gotta love it.....but when you are scratched in favour of Tom Pyatt in the playoffs...something is wrong.

If Montreal is smart, they will spend the 1 million this guy makes somewhere else.

Between Pouliot, Kostistyn, Halpern and Hammer, we will have some money to spend.

Guys such as Ehrhoff, Laich, Glencross, Talbot and Dupuis are available so things are possible this offseason, all we can do is wait and see what Mr. Gauthier can get done.

Habsterix* 05-08-2011 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sports1131 (Post 32931980)
Kostitsyn is a MUCH better player than Pouliot. I have a feeling he will be given away this summer like his brother was last year, but even with his inconstency Andrei is clearly a top-six NHL forward. I'm not convinced Pouliot will be in the league in a few years.

In my opinion, he's not. What he did get that the duo Latendresse/Pouliot didn't is the patience from his coach. Not saying that Kostitsyn didn't get sat at the end of the bench or sat in the stands, but he immediately came back to the top 6. Can't say the same of the other two.

Right or wrong isn't the issue here, but in all fairness, I just can't see Pouliot developing under Martin unless he goes on a tear like Pacioretty did and the fans force Martin's hand. Remember that when Subban sat last year, fans were all over Martin and were chanting the defenseman's name at home games...

wally weir 05-08-2011 12:22 PM

I think that the article is right on when pointing out that Pouliot was the one who suffered from Gomez struggling. We were all happy with his production after the trade. When the Gomez line, with Pouliot on it, did not produce Pouiot is the one that was relegated to the 3-4 th line. However Pouliot is an offensive player that brings little of the grit and defensive play required to play in the bottom six. I think for him to be effective he needs to be on an offensive line.

I would like the Habs to have an offensive 3rd line like we did when Lang was there. I would love to see AK- Eller- Pouliot. Obviously Pouliot needs some work on balance, defensive skills and needs to stop taking stupid penalties. Pouliot is too young, too talented and especially too cheap ( we are in the cap era) to give up on him.

Protest the Hero 05-08-2011 12:24 PM

If by flop you mean the way he's always on the ice looking like a fish out of water because his legs don't work properly then yes, he's a flop.

Zeroknowledge* 05-08-2011 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolasprICE (Post 32931205)
the risk of giving up on him now exceeds the reward of replacing his ~1m cap hit

He's got good hands, skating, shooting and reach... plus decent vision

He has horrible balance, confidence is fragile, needs to improve his play, focus and discipline in tight / defensive playoff type games.

At the very worst, he's a 15-20 goal scorer who you sit out come PO time.

At 1 million cap hit, I don't see much harm in that.

I would take 7 Pouliot's over 1 Gomez ;)

Well yeah

If you want the #1 pick every year.

SeriousFan09 05-08-2011 12:32 PM

It's all in his head I suspect, he's not this bad of a skater with the fall-down act, no way was his skating was this atrocious and he went 4th overall.

Not sure if he lacks the passion or it's fragile confidence but he needs to find some kind of off-ice help this summer to get over whatever is troubling him. Lafleur himself nearly fell apart under expectations (not that I'm comparing them in terms of talent and accomplishments) and MTL is a pretty tough place to play. I think he needs a sports shrink more than anything.

JackZap 05-08-2011 12:35 PM

Someone send a fruit basket to Minnesota

Habs 1909 05-08-2011 12:52 PM

Very good read.

I can't see the organization give up on Pouliot just yet. They gave AK quite a few chances and I can see the same for Pouliot. He has all the tools to succeed.


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