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VladNYC* 05-17-2011 05:03 PM

NT Coach
 
So as we all know..Bykov transformed our losers into a team that won gold twice. He breathed new life into the stagnation of our national team and it showed in our guys. As a fan I can safely say that we are all grateful to him. But now it seems the wind in our NT's sails has subsided, so what do we do now? Do we keep Bykov? If not, who can possibly replace him? Do we look out side our border? Also, I once saw Dmitri Kalinin buy 5 printers at a Best Buy in Amhest NY. Is that kind decision making the reason for our poor defense?


p.s. the last part is just a joke..although a true story.

Swipes 05-18-2011 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by VladNYC (Post 33091326)
So as we all know..Bykov transformed our losers into a team that won gold twice. He breathed new life into the stagnation of our national team and it showed in our guys. As a fan I can safely say that we are all grateful to him. But now it seems the wind in our NT's sails has subsided, so what do we do now? Do we keep Bykov? If not, who can possibly replace him? Do we look out side our border? Also, I once saw Dmitri Kalinin buy 5 printers at a Best Buy in Amhest NY. Is that kind decision making the reason for our poor defense?


p.s. the last part is just a joke..although a true story.

Apparently Milos Riha is one of the candidates according to hokej.cz. This would be good for two reasons a) he's a good coach, has made a name for himself in the KHL and has a good idea of Russian players. Plus he could maybe integrate young guys too, as this seems to have been the main criticism of Bykov, if my memory serves me well.
b) A reason not related to Russia and a bit OT: When the time comes for Hadamczik to leave, he'll already have international experience and should do a good job for our national team (should he be chosen).

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Dmitri Kalinin buy 5 printers at a Best Buy in Amhest NY
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VladNYC* 05-18-2011 09:14 PM

I really hope it's Milos and I hope that being the coach for the NT is his sole job.

Erathian 05-19-2011 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by VladNYC (Post 33114986)
I really hope it's Milos and I hope that being the coach for the NT is his sole job.

Well, it seems that only half of your wish might happen since he signed contract with SKA.

Alessandro Seren Rosso 05-19-2011 02:52 AM

Has anyone read the letter to Tretiak about Zakharkin written by former players? That's hard to ignore for the FHR management

cska78 05-19-2011 05:42 PM

bs letter in tradition of soviet "поклеп" times. Reading it, thought I was back in the 80's. And I am no fan of BiZ

VladNYC* 05-19-2011 08:40 PM

can you link the letter please?

cska78 05-19-2011 10:13 PM

Veteran's Letter - http://www.championat.ru/hockey/news-815532.html
Z's reply - http://www.championat.ru/hockey/news-815848.html

cska78 05-19-2011 10:14 PM

rumors today - Znarok mb the next coach for team Russia...meh

Fulcrum 05-20-2011 08:47 AM

Don't know about Znarok, but the next NT coach should be someone who is willing to bring a think tank of people.

Someone with professional mindset, perhaps willing to work with a number of specialists such as Larionov and not push Egos back and forth.

I don't think Nazarov is the answer, but I think if he was to represent the best of ideas (created by GM's and assistants and communicate them to the team- it would work best.) I look to how Canada assembled it's best and just went to work, egos aside.

Nazarov would also have 3 seaons to develop. But I get the feeling I'm dreaming and forgetting that it's FHR that is making the decision- who knows though...

Znarok could be a step back to that modern mentality, but maybe I don't know him enough.

Alessandro Seren Rosso 05-20-2011 05:04 PM

And today Fetisov said that Bilyaletdinov is the main candidate. It would be great imho.

cska78 05-20-2011 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Alessandro Seren Rosso (Post 33151611)
And today Fetisov said that Bilyaletdinov is the main candidate. It would be great imho.

wasn't he already coach before and failed? why is it great? for the lack of better alternative? He's a hard olf-fashioned coach in a way, u think it will work with out spoiled stars?

Alessandro Seren Rosso 05-20-2011 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cska78 (Post 33151930)
wasn't he already coach before and failed? why is it great? for the lack of better alternative? He's a hard olf-fashioned coach in a way, u think it will work with out spoiled stars?

Well he had not much time to work with the national team in 2004. You think he worked bad with Ak Bars?

SerbianHabs 05-20-2011 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alessandro Seren Rosso (Post 33152990)
Well he had not much time to work with the national team in 2004. You think he worked bad with Ak Bars?

Would be interesting to see him back as Coach and I agree he got very little time. I think the team is stronger/more heart than the team he took in 2004.

I remember attending the Russia V USA Quarterfinal match(First time I ever saw Ovechkin) When Russia made it 2-2 I thought they would win but then they shot themselves in the foot :laugh:

Oleg Znarok would be a bad choice IMO.

Fulcrum 05-20-2011 10:47 PM

I would also like Belyaletdinov as well. I think he improved as a coach since 2004 significantly. He is the creator of ZZM line and his team is known to be pretty solid defensively - something Russia could definately use. Bykov's team was much more brazilian style in trying to outscore the opponent for most of his reign.

2004 was another generation of Russian players, some who were still questionable of the entire NT concept. I think it will be different this time around.

Atas2000 05-21-2011 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cska78 (Post 33132651)
bs letter in tradition of soviet "поклеп" times. Reading it, thought I was back in the 80's. And I am no fan of BiZ

Don't you forget what preceeded the letter. Zaharkin really lost some edges and is talking way over his head. I totally understand the intent of the letter and I don't undestand the 80's remarks. Zaharkin the assistant coach has become way to overconfident and disrespectful. Time for him to look for a job. And one more thing. Evry single word of the 'поклеп' is true. Maybe the style ist a bit 'old-fashioned' but for Christ's sake it's a letter, not an official announcement.

cska78 05-21-2011 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Alessandro Seren Rosso (Post 33152990)
Well he had not much time to work with the national team in 2004. You think he worked bad with Ak Bars?

he worked good with a team, that pretty much could have any player they wanted, plus as a club team where they earn money and they system of fines is implemented, it's easier to control the players, vs. the NT where attendance and effort are pretty much optional and cannot be enforced. If Bill tries to choose hard line on Ovi, Kovi and others who choose 'I' over 'T' (as in team), see what happens.

Yakushev72 05-21-2011 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cska78 (Post 33163114)
he worked good with a team, that pretty much could have any player they wanted, plus as a club team where they earn money and they system of fines is implemented, it's easier to control the players, vs. the NT where attendance and effort are pretty much optional and cannot be enforced. If Bill tries to choose hard line on Ovi, Kovi and others who choose 'I' over 'T' (as in team), see what happens.

Ovechkin and Kovalchuk understand that coaches get fired when they don't produce up to expectations. Ovi and Kovy took a lot of criticism because of the substandard performance by the team this year because they were expected to make the difference, to lead the way. There are tough coaches in the NHL as well. Kovy played well for Jacques Lemaire. I understand that participation is optional, but more so for NHL'ers than guys from KHL. You can never depend on NHL players under any circumstances. Playoffs, injuries, etc. They just have to select the best coach and let other matters work themselves out.

Alessandro Seren Rosso 05-26-2011 05:59 AM

Looks like the two-headed monster is gone.

cska78 05-26-2011 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Alessandro Seren Rosso (Post 33252502)
Looks like the two-headed monster is gone.

since they weren't about to change their ways it's a right decision. but I would dig deeper.

Francesa 05-26-2011 09:00 AM

http://twitter.com/dchesnokov/status...94537498898432

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The Russian Hockey Federation fired Bykov and Zakharkin as national team coaches.

Fulcrum 05-26-2011 10:10 AM

Looks like they will dig deeper. All of the leagues and FHR will be getting together to discuss some core issues. Normally, knowing the beuracracy I would say that it's just for show. But considering the people involved- I think there will be progress made. Fetisov, Medvedev, Efimov, Yurzinov Sr. all have very fresh and "right" ideas about how to change the system and develop. I think that at least partly they will talk about kids hockey.

I see this as the biggest push since the creation of KHL/MHL to do things the right way.

Fetisov also said that ex-players like Mogilny, Kamensky and Fedorov will join the helm in this plan- and that sounds very promising. The whole structure is in dire need for new 'blood'. I think these guys bring more honesty and desire to do things the right away and avoid corruption than the old FHR corrupted "members", and at least they can shift the power somewhat.

I am happy with where this is going.

Alessandro Seren Rosso 05-26-2011 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Fulcrum (Post 33253745)
Looks like they will dig deeper. All of the leagues and FHR will be getting together to discuss some core issues. Normally, knowing the beuracracy I would say that it's just for show. But considering the people involved- I think there will be progress made. Fetisov, Medvedev, Efimov, Yurzinov Sr. all have very fresh and "right" ideas about how to change the system and develop. I think that at least partly they will talk about kids hockey.

I see this as the biggest push since the creation of KHL/MHL to do things the right way.

Fetisov also said that ex-players like Mogilny, Kamensky and Fedorov will join the helm in this plan- and that sounds very promising. The whole structure is in dire need for new 'blood'. I think these guys bring more honesty and desire to do things the right away and avoid corruption than the old FHR corrupted "members", and at least they can shift the power somewhat.

I am happy with where this is going.

Well, hopefully this is for the good and not just a struggle of power

RusskiyHockey 05-26-2011 05:28 PM

This is good news. Bykov brought respectability back to the national team and a string of five straight WC's making the semifinal is certainly a high feat, but it's clearly time for new people. Now that B & Z are gone, I hope the mudslinging (some deserved, some capricious and immature) against them will stop. It's time to focus on the future. Coach Bill looks like a fine candidate. The World Cup experience was a random event and not anything to judge him by. It's a different era now. I doubt there's any beef between him and Kovalchuk anymore.

Yakushev72 05-27-2011 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RusskiyHockey (Post 33260861)
This is good news. Bykov brought respectability back to the national team and a string of five straight WC's making the semifinal is certainly a high feat, but it's clearly time for new people. Now that B & Z are gone, I hope the mudslinging (some deserved, some capricious and immature) against them will stop. It's time to focus on the future. Coach Bill looks like a fine candidate. The World Cup experience was a random event and not anything to judge him by. It's a different era now. I doubt there's any beef between him and Kovalchuk anymore.

Kovalchuk has shown himself to be a loyal team player, showing up every year and playing hard for the team. Whether this was out of personal loyalty to Bykov or a desire to play for Russia, we will soon find out. It is certainly easy to understand why players would respect Bykov, who was pound for pound one of the best Soviet players ever!

IMO, the FHR should select the best coach available, and let the chips fall where they may. As great as Kovalchuk and Ovechkin are, there will be other players of their calibre coming along on a regular basis, especially if youth development is improved. This year, everything that could go wrong did go wrong, and the number of undisciplined penalties was uncharacteristic of Russian teams of the past. Starting with the Vancouver Olympics, recent trends have been highly negative. The change is warranted.


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