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bobbop 05-23-2011 02:51 PM

Plan B
 
OK, let's say Brad Richards decides to resign with the Stars. Or The Kings trade for his rights at the draft and sign him before July 1st. Or The Leafs offer him a contract he can't refuse.

What is the Rangers Plan B?

I don't see any offensive free agents that excite me. Tomas Fleischman maybe but that's about it. Anyoine else out there?

So that leaves the trade market.

My initial thought is to inquire about Paul Stasny. He was reportedly available at the trrade deadline last year and he certainly fills the bill of a front line center. He, of course, comes with a stiff price...at least 3 young assets. But the alternative?

And one other thought -- what about Alexander Radulov? Would you trade assets for him? I would based on what I have seen and heard

Other thoughts?

Dustin Peener 05-23-2011 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbop (Post 33198152)
what about Alexander Radulov? Would you trade assets for him? I would based on what I have seen and heard

It would be very nice to have Radulov on the team but I think it's unlikely he will leave the KHL

BlueshirtBlitz 05-23-2011 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbop (Post 33198152)
OK, let's say Brad Richards decides to resign with the Stars. Or The Kings trade for his rights at the draft and sign him before July 1st. Or The Leafs offer him a contract he can't refuse.

What is the Rangers Plan B?

I don't see any offensive free agents that excite me. Tomas Fleischman maybe but that's about it. Anyoine else out there?

So that leaves the trade market.

My initial thought is to inquire about Paul Stasny. He was reportedly available at the trrade deadline last year and he certainly fills the bill of a front line center. He, of course, comes with a stiff price...at least 3 young assets. But the alternative?

And one other thought -- what about Alexander Radulov? Would you trade assets for him? I would based on what I have seen and heard

Other thoughts?

I doubt Radulov ever comes back to the NHL.

The alternative is to hope we can aquire a center without gutting the team. If that can't happen, we go for the 7-8th seed again and lose in the first round.

Jersey Girl 05-23-2011 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueshirtBlitz (Post 33198217)
The alternative is to hope we can aquire a center without gutting the team. If that can't happen, we go for the 7-8th seed again and lose in the first round.

You mean the same thing that's been happening AS we've been signing free agents? In our 'good' years? ;)

BlueshirtBlitz 05-23-2011 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jersey Girl (Post 33198307)
You mean the same thing that's been happening AS we've been signing free agents? In our 'good' years? ;)

Yeah, basically. That's why we don't go for any second tier centers like Gomez or Drury, we go for the big fish. :D

turcotte8 05-23-2011 03:07 PM

Hope Ray Shero goes clinically insane and trades us Crosby straight up for Drury. ;)

Leetch3 05-23-2011 03:08 PM

honestly plan B is probably cross your fingers and pray that stepan matures really quickly lol

Jersey Girl 05-23-2011 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueshirtBlitz (Post 33198398)
Yeah, basically. That's why we don't go for any second tier centers like Gomez or Drury, we go for the big fish. :D

We 'got' the big fish two summers ago, he performed as advertised (42 goals) and we still missed the playoffs.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 05-23-2011 03:14 PM

So sad that the success of this team moving forward still seems to hinge on the signing of a big name free agent.

Skrimpy 05-23-2011 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbop (Post 33198152)
OK, let's say Brad Richards decides to resign with the Stars. Or The Kings trade for his rights at the draft and sign him before July 1st. Or The Leafs offer him a contract he can't refuse.

What is the Rangers Plan B?

I don't see any offensive free agents that excite me. Tomas Fleischman maybe but that's about it. Anyoine else out there?

So that leaves the trade market.

My initial thought is to inquire about Paul Stasny. He was reportedly available at the trrade deadline last year and he certainly fills the bill of a front line center. He, of course, comes with a stiff price...at least 3 young assets. But the alternative?

And one other thought -- what about Alexander Radulov? Would you trade assets for him? I would based on what I have seen and heard

Other thoughts?

Plan B? Free agents to fill voids aren't the ONLY option. Let's try, "Stay the course". That's how the Devils of the mid 90s-mid 2000s were good. That's how Detroit has been good since the early 90s. STAY THE COURSE. Develop one. Pick one. Find the the gem in the draft. They got three with Girardi, McDonagh and Sauer. They can do it again.

Boom Boom Geoffrion* 05-23-2011 03:15 PM

Plan B is stay the course. Not having a 1C will create more playing time for AA and Stepan. I don't imagine Sather goes that route though. He'll find Gaborik a Center.

94now 05-23-2011 03:15 PM

Thre is no plan B as far as UFAs are concerned. Trading is problematic, no onme sells, only buyers are out there. The only one I can see as a remote possibility is LeCavalier, but it is far fetching...
We would have to live with what we've got at C. That means groom AA for 1C role whatever it's worth.

NHRangerfan 05-23-2011 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbop (Post 33198152)
OK, let's say Brad Richards decides to resign with the Stars. Or The Kings trade for his rights at the draft and sign him before July 1st. Or The Leafs offer him a contract he can't refuse.

What is the Rangers Plan B?

I don't see any offensive free agents that excite me. Tomas Fleischman maybe but that's about it. Anyoine else out there?

So that leaves the trade market.

My initial thought is to inquire about Paul Stasny. He was reportedly available at the trrade deadline last year and he certainly fills the bill of a front line center. He, of course, comes with a stiff price...at least 3 young assets. But the alternative?

And one other thought -- what about Alexander Radulov? Would you trade assets for him? I would based on what I have seen and heard

Other thoughts?

Ok this one is a little off the wall and is purely for discussion purposes, I do not in any way support this as even I haven't really thought about but:

one of the things the majority of the board agrees with is that this team, barring a Long Term injuryto Hank will never be in position for a Top 5 pick.

another thing most of the board agrees with is that we won't get an impact player drafting where we do finishing somewhere between 8-9.

given those facts...does it make sense to offer sheet a really good young RFA?

Like I said I haven't thought about it myself, haven't even looked at who is available as an RFA...

discuss

broadwayblue 05-23-2011 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Boom Boom Geoffrion (Post 33198508)
Plan B is stay the course. Not having a 1C will create more playing time for AA and Stepan. I don't imagine Sather goes that route though. He'll find Gaborik a Center.

This. So many cynics here these days. The team is getting better...no need to panic. They'll keep adding parts as they become available. Richards isn't the end all be all of acquisitions.

turcotte8 05-23-2011 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHRangerfan (Post 33198536)
Ok this one is a little off the wall and is purely for discussion purposes, I do not in any way support this as even I haven't really thought about but:

one of the things the majority of the board agrees with is that this team, barring a Long Term injuryto Hank will never be in position for a Top 5 pick.

another thing most of the board agrees with is that we won't get an impact player drafting where we do finishing somewhere between 8-9.

given those facts...does it make sense to offer sheet a really good young RFA?

Like I said I haven't thought about it myself, haven't even looked at who is available as an RFA...

discuss

Stamkos is a RFA.
But how much would you have to offer in order for Tampa not to match? 10-12 million?
Is any player in the league actually worth a max contract?

GAGLine 05-23-2011 03:29 PM

Plan B:


Leetch3 05-23-2011 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SingnBluesOnBroadway (Post 33198492)
So sad that the success of this team moving forward still seems to hinge on the signing of a big name free agent.

i don't think its sad at all...if we knew what we were doing at the draft table and drafted top end talent and were looking to add a 2nd line free agent to supplement the team no one would think anything off it. so instead we drafted the 2nd liner and try to sign the 1st liner

Florida Ranger 05-23-2011 03:32 PM

I'm not sure if I screwed up somewhere, so excuse the mistakes if there's any...

I'd simply go with this:

FORWARDS
Wojtek Wolski ($3.800m) / Erik Christensen ($0.925m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.500m) / Artem Anisimov ($2.300m) / Ryan Callahan ($3.600m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.000m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m)
Sean Avery ($1.937m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Brian Boyle ($1.000m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Mike Sauer ($0.900m)
Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m) / Steve Eminger ($1.125m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)

---------------------------------------------------------------------

If the cap goes up to, let's say, $63 million and Dubi, Cally, AA, and Boyle are signed and they make what's up there, we'd $8,250,000 in cap space.

Leave Zucc in the minors and don't re-sign Gilroy or Prospal.

Keep incorporating the young guys as contracts start running up like Drury, Christensen, Avery, Fedetenko.

Vitto79 05-23-2011 03:33 PM

I think we will soon realize Plan B sucks whatever it can be.

Thus those saying do not sign Richards are on crack........that is all:laugh:

Florida Ranger 05-23-2011 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vitto79 (Post 33198760)
I think we will soon realize Plan B sucks whatever it can be.

Thus those saying do not sign Richards are on crack........that is all:laugh:

As we get closer to July 1st, I'm slowing leaning more onto signing Richards, even if it's for 5-6-7 years. Stepan and Anisimov will be in their prime at the later end of the contract.

n8 05-23-2011 03:36 PM

Plan B? Wait till 2013's UFA class?

Orr Nightmare 05-23-2011 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by n8 (Post 33198816)
Plan B? Wait till 2013's UFA class?

That would be plan A for me.

BlueshirtBlitz 05-23-2011 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jersey Girl (Post 33198456)
We 'got' the big fish two summers ago, he performed as advertised (42 goals) and we still missed the playoffs.

Because we only had 1/3 of a top line.

Sucks that we can't draft first line talent but it is what it is.

Quote:

So sad that the success of this team moving forward still seems to hinge on the signing of a big name free agent.
I agree with you to an extent, but then you look at a team like TB. Yeah, they have Vinny, MSL and Stamkos. Guess who's been just as if not more important to their success in the playoffs? Free agent signings.

Make the argument "1st line" free agents or not, but that's a fact. Tampa went from 12th in the East to a SC contender this year. Sad, though, that their success hinged on those FA signings. ;)

The Sharks too, but their homegrown guys have been big in the playoffs this year- doesn't mean their top line isn't filled with two non-homegrown guys and their d-corp doesn't have Danny Boyle.

ecemleafs 05-23-2011 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Orr Nightmare (Post 33198858)
That would be plan A for me.

then we get to 2013 and all of the top FA's in that class or signed or maybe no longer top players for what they will command on the open market and we wasted 2 more years of Henke and Gaboriks primes and we still have no elite talent in the system? do we then decide to pack it in, trade henke and gabs, tank and wait another 3-4 years to become a contender?

Jersey Girl 05-23-2011 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ecemleafs (Post 33198922)
then we get to 2013 and all of the top FA's in that class or signed or maybe no longer top players for what they will command on the open market and we wasted 2 more years of Henke and Gaboriks primes and we still have no elite talent in the system? do we then decide to pack it in, trade henke and gabs, tank and wait another 3-4 years to become a contender?

Nope. We just keep signing free agents who have all the leverage to inflated contracts. Year after year after year. It's what we do.

Sather. Rinse. Repeat.


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