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begbeee 05-31-2011 01:42 PM

Atlanta Thrashers
 
How this team will be remembered?

jkrx 05-31-2011 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by begbeee (Post 33331837)
How this team will be remembered?

as mediocre at best. Atlanta never really got it going. There weren't any rival matches (except a few against the caps). It all was to unstable but I should point out that a move is yet to be determined.

BraveCanadian 05-31-2011 01:47 PM

They won't be.

Complete non-factor for the entire time of their existence.

Iain Fyffe 05-31-2011 01:48 PM

'Will they be remembered' might be the better question. In 11 years they did nothing of note, and were decidedly mediocre for most of their existence. Perhaps they'll just be remembered as the NHL's second failed attempt in Atlanta? The team name won't even be carried on this time like it was with the Flames.

Iain Fyffe 05-31-2011 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jkrx (Post 33331912)
It all was to unstable but I should point out that a move is yet to be determined.

This is true, technically. The owners have to approve the change in ownership (75% votes required) and also approve a relocation (majority of votes required). They meet sometime in June I believe.

The move to Winnipeg is not officially finalized.

vadim sharifijanov 05-31-2011 02:14 PM

'bout the same as the kansas city scouts or california golden seals. i.e., they won't be.

ten years and one memorable moment, in which, sadly, a player died.

TheDevilMadeMe 05-31-2011 02:22 PM

Similar to the Atlanta Flames, I think. Some really exciting offensive superstars, but ultimately a team that was never a factor in much of anything

jkrx 05-31-2011 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vadim sharifijanov (Post 33332615)
'bout the same as the kansas city scouts or california golden seals. i.e., they won't be.

ten years and one memorable moment, in which, sadly, a player died.

Sadly there is basically two things that might be remembered from this teams history. Kovalchuk and the night Heatly crashed his car and Snyder was killed.

Chain Attack 05-31-2011 02:42 PM

As a leaf fan I'll always remember the 9-3 thrashing (no pun intended) we gave Atlanta earlier this year where Brett Lebda was a -3, but the thing I'll remember most was the Kovalchuk-Crosby incident when Kovalchuk scored and pointed at him. Off-ice problems aside, there's really not that much to say. I just got this random memory of Joe Bowen laughing like crazy at the Thrashers mascot who was dancing alongside a fan in the stands.

seventieslord 05-31-2011 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 33332799)
Similar to the Atlanta Flames, I think. Some really exciting offensive superstars, but ultimately a team that was never a factor in much of anything

The Flames at least made the playoffs a few times.

I think that, on the aggregate, over the past dozen years the Thrashers have been one of the NHL's bottom three teams along with Florida and Columbus (interestingly, they all made the playoffs exactly once, and they all won exactly zero games in that appearance)

Parity in the NHL has made it so that the good teams aren't as good as they once were, and you can't be as bad as some bad teams used to be, but by an era-adjusted standard (and I'm not going to try to be precise about this) - they have to have just completed one of the worst 12-year periods of futility in NHL history, "only mediocre" win% fueled by OTL points be damned.

Johnny Engine 05-31-2011 03:51 PM

About a week ago I made a thread "top Thrashers ever, the final list," and one person posted in it. Nobody made a list. That should tell you something.
I think the Scouts are a pretty good comparison, as their legacy seems to be "um...well nothing really happened there". The Seals are remembered as an absolute train wreck, and I don't think the Trasher's wore white enough skates to qualify for that.

digdug41982 05-31-2011 04:05 PM

Had some great players pass through in Heatley, Kovy and Hossa. Helped the Hawks out when they were in cap trouble. That's it.

tarheelhockey 05-31-2011 04:32 PM

In a weird way, it's kind of neat to be able to say "I went to a Thrashers home game". That will have some old-timer value for me someday.

Actp 05-31-2011 05:39 PM

Yep they are similar to the Flames, though the Flames were better. For a while with Savard, Hossa and Kovy they were a skilled offensive team with no team D..Atlanta was that way as well but had better team defense. Neither team had much for D men, which should say something.

MuzikMachine 05-31-2011 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by seventieslord (Post 33334063)
The Flames at least made the playoffs a few times.

I think that, on the aggregate, over the past dozen years the Thrashers have been one of the NHL's bottom three teams along with Florida and Columbus (interestingly, they all made the playoffs exactly once, and they all won exactly zero games in that appearance)

The last time the Panthers qualified for the playoffs in 1999-2000, they were swept by the Devils, however they did make the Stanley Cup finals in 1995-96 and qualified for the playoffs the following season, loosing 4-1 to the Rangers. It's hard to image that the Panthers were one of the more promissing expansion teams in the 1990's.

As for the Thrashers, as time progresses they will probably fade into obscurity like some of the other expansion or relocated teams of the 1970's.

Ogopogo* 05-31-2011 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BraveCanadian (Post 33331944)
They won't be.

Complete non-factor for the entire time of their existence.

To a large extent, this is true.

How do people remember the California Seals? The Thrashers will be remembered in much the same way - they won't be.

BTW - there are probably three of us on the planet that have Seals jerseys, me being one of them. I have a Seals hat as well. ;)

DungeonK 05-31-2011 06:03 PM

Kovy won the Rocket Richard, was drafted by and spent a loooong time with the Thrashers.

A young, gap-toothed Heatley made unfortunate history with the team.

Slava Kozlov and Marian Hossa carried the team on their backs and made the playoffs one season.

Holik, Bondra, Savard, Tkachuk, Recchi, Chelios, Kovalchuk, Savard, Heatley, Hossa, Byfuglien, Enstrom, Pavelec, Kane all laced up the skates for the team- that's a lot of big names for such a short history!

The Thrashers were an exciting team to watch and with all their roster turnover were always a wildcard as to how successful they would be. They will be remembered as the posterchild for Canadian aggression, with fans across the country happy to see them die. That is twice Canada has stolen a team from my city now, and twice that crooked owners were more than happy to play along.

So I guess to remember the Thrashers in a word: sad.

TheMoreYouKnow 05-31-2011 06:24 PM

Hopefully nobody will remember Chelios's time with the team.

seventieslord 05-31-2011 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MuzikMachine (Post 33337370)
The last time the Panthers qualified for the playoffs in 1999-2000, they were swept by the Devils, however they did make the Stanley Cup finals in 1995-96 and qualified for the playoffs the following season, loosing 4-1 to the Rangers. It's hard to image that the Panthers were one of the more promissing expansion teams in the 1990's.

As for the Thrashers, as time progresses they will probably fade into obscurity like some of the other expansion or relocated teams of the 1970's.

I know that. I was definitely cutting off everything before 98-99 when I made that statement.

Kyle McMahon 05-31-2011 06:27 PM

1. A team that showed promise at various times in their history, but was ultimately let down repeatedly by Don Waddell. One of the worst track records as a GM in NHL history.

2. The southern expansion team Gary Bettman let walk away. He was willing to sell the Predators to a con man to keep them out of Canada. He has moved heaven and earth to keep the moribund Coyotes in the failed market of Phoenix, likely just because the optics of moving a team back to its original location would be seen as an admission of failure. But for whatever reason, he let Atlanta pull up stakes without any sort of fight. Not really sure why, and if I was a Thrashers fan I'd feel pretty betrayed. There's no way Atlanta should have been moved before Phoenix (who will move anyway).

TheDevilMadeMe 05-31-2011 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle McMahon (Post 33337881)
1. A team that showed promise at various times in their history, but was ultimately let down repeatedly by Don Waddell. One of the worst track records as a GM in NHL history.

2. The southern expansion team Gary Bettman let walk away. He was willing to sell the Predators to a con man to keep them out of Canada. He has moved heaven and earth to keep the moribund Coyotes in the failed market of Phoenix, likely just because the optics of moving a team back to its original location would be seen as an admission of failure. But for whatever reason, he let Atlanta pull up stakes without any sort of fight. Not really sure why, and if I was a Thrashers fan I'd feel pretty betrayed. There's no way Atlanta should have been moved before Phoenix (who will move anyway).

As for your second point, it's hard to keep the team in Atlanta when the owners of the arena want them out.

SidGenoMario 05-31-2011 06:39 PM

Kovalchuk. That's it.

VanIslander 05-31-2011 06:41 PM

As a long time Marian Hossa fan I became a Thrashers fan when he went there and thought his best career season all things considered was his Hart worthy but widely overlooked 100-point season there (the franchise's first and only three digit scorer), a force with and without the puck, still playing physical at that point too.

The Thrashers' 3-Star Award winner in 2007:
http://cdn.nhl.com/thrashers/bc/imag...040407_460.jpg

overpass 05-31-2011 07:31 PM

This must suck for former Thrasher players. A big part of a player's legacy is carried on by their club, the fans, and the media of their former team, and they're losing that.

Kovalchuk will have to build a new legacy in New Jersey.

vadim sharifijanov 05-31-2011 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by overpass (Post 33338985)
This must suck for former Thrasher players. A big part of a player's legacy is carried on by their club, the fans, and the media of their former team, and they're losing that.

Kovalchuk will have to build a new legacy in New Jersey.

at least there are no banners or retired jerseys to take down, ahem phoenix and colorado, ahem.


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