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ShawnTHW 05-31-2011 04:44 PM

3 way deal - PHI/WIN/CBJ
 
Philadelphia receives:
Voracek
Columbus 1st
Arturs Kulda/Carl Klingberg

Winnipeg receives:
Jeff Carter
David Savard

Columbus receives:
Zach Bogosian
Winnipeg 1st
Ivan Telegin

I don't do THAT many trades on here, so bare with me. Let me know what you think.

Xoggz22 05-31-2011 05:02 PM

Most of us Columbus fans shudder at the thought of seeing Savard's name in a trade proposal but I can't know this one too much. Savard is considered the top D prospect in Columbus after a very good 1st pro season in the AHL. Savard, Moore and Goulobef all appeared to have some level of positive results this year but Savard appeared to take hold of the top D prospect after mid-year.

Guest123 05-31-2011 05:10 PM

I don't think CLB likes this deal.

Good value for Carter though.

TSA0402 05-31-2011 05:27 PM

I think this is a really interesting proposal. Not sure if Atlanta/Winnipeg would like it though.

Crede777 05-31-2011 07:27 PM

Columbus gives up too much in my opinion and Philadelphia doesn't give up enough.

Voracek + 8th overall > Bogosian
Savard > Winnipeg's 1st in a weak draft.

Telegin is meh.

ShawnTHW 05-31-2011 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crede777 (Post 33339963)
Columbus gives up too much in my opinion and Philadelphia doesn't give up enough.

Voracek + 8th overall > Bogosian
Savard > Winnipeg's 1st in a weak draft.

Telegin is meh.

Sorry, but that is an absolutely ridiculous statement. Anyone of Murphy, Strome, Siemens, Hamilton, Zibanejad, Armia, etc. is better than Savard (ESPECIALLY the defense at that spot).

And this year is not a weak draft.

Viqsi 05-31-2011 08:10 PM

You're having us give up our current best right winger and our best D prospect, and in return we trade up one largely meaningless spot in the draft and pick up a prospect depth winger (last thing we need) and the second coming of Rostislav Klesla.

...

This is a brazen insult, and your poor attempts to defend it by downplaying what we already have make it even more ugly.

Jumping 05-31-2011 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viqsi (Post 33340833)
You're having us give up our current best right winger and our best D prospect, and in return we trade up one largely meaningless spot in the draft and pick up a prospect depth winger (last thing we need) and the second coming of Rostislav Klesla.

...

This is a brazen insult, and your poor attempts to defend it by downplaying what we already have make it even more ugly.

Seriously dude, tell us what you really think....:D

broc 05-31-2011 08:48 PM

Because winnipeg is in a position to trade high picks and their top prospect, right?

How does this make sense for Winnipeg? They are in the middle of a rebuild, they're not trading prospects and high 1st rounders for a huge contract like Carter. Carter doesn't even put this team in the playoffs...

Viqsi 05-31-2011 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jumping (Post 33340895)
Seriously dude, tell us what you really think....:D

The initial reaction I edited out was "Go to hell. Go directly to hell. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200." :)

It's been a while since I've seen a truly awful screw-the-little-guy trade that treats us like this, and especially given the events of the day so far I've not really been in a happy mood. So, yeah. Today you get to see Evil Vindictive B*tch Viqsi, as Shiny Happy Reasonable Viqsi has been tied up and thrown in the basement for a little while. :D

Jumping 05-31-2011 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viqsi (Post 33341611)
The initial reaction I edited out was "Go to hell. Go directly to hell. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200." :)

It's been a while since I've seen a truly awful screw-the-little-guy trade that treats us like this, and especially given the events of the day so far I've not really been in a happy mood. So, yeah. Today you get to see Evil Vindictive B*tch Viqsi, as Shiny Happy Reasonable Viqsi has been tied up and thrown in the basement for a little while. :D

You should become a Flyers fan. We are always looking for fans like you.

Go to the Flyers board, we are recruiting. ;)

To bad that Don Waddell isn't having to explain the last decade to Thrashers fans.
Gary Bettman seems to think fans have no choice. If you have a home team you need to follow them whatever. The Flyers aren't always practicing good management but they do try to win.

So do the fans, hence we would love to pick off value for nothing.

It's the American way.

P.S. if you like to support hockey in the south, the Flyers play in South Philly and practice in South Jersey.

Viqsi 05-31-2011 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jumping (Post 33342648)
You should become a Flyers fan. We are always looking for fans like you.

Go to the Flyers board, we are recruiting. ;)

To bad that Don Waddell isn't having to explain the last decade to Thrashers fans.
Gary Bettman seems to think fans have no choice. If you have a home team you need to follow them whatever. The Flyers aren't always practicing good management but they do try to win.

So do the fans, hence we would love to pick off value for nothing.

It's the American way.

P.S. if you like to support hockey in the south, the Flyers play in South Philly and practice in South Jersey.

Sorry, Jackets fan first and Preds fan second, so I'm not heading anywhere. But I'll take that as a compliment all the same. :)

TSA0402 05-31-2011 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crede777 (Post 33339963)
Columbus gives up too much in my opinion and Philadelphia doesn't give up enough.

Voracek + 8th overall > Bogosian
Savard > Winnipeg's 1st in a weak draft.

Telegin is meh.

Yea seriously.... I know you don't like this deal for some reason. But no way in hell Savard is better than that pick.

I don't think this deal is half as bad as the reactions it is getting. Good job OP. In fact, I think I've seen five Columbus or Atlanta proposals today that were worse than this.

Palinka 05-31-2011 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PycckuuRocket10 (Post 33337123)
Philadelphia receives:
Voracek
Columbus 1st
Arturs Kulda/Carl Klingberg

Winnipeg receives:
Jeff Carter
David Savard

Columbus receives:
Zach Bogosian
Winnipeg 1st
Ivan Telegin

I don't do THAT many trades on here, so bare with me. Let me know what you think.

Columbus doesn't regard Bogosian anywhere near as highly as everyone else does, which basically would serve to torpedo the entire deal. Anything other components, like Voracek for the Atlanta 1st (7th overall), would unbalance the rest of it.

Viqsi 05-31-2011 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TSA0402 (Post 33343104)
Yea seriously.... I know you don't like this deal for some reason. But no way in hell Savard is better than that pick.

I don't think this deal is half as bad as the reactions it is getting. Good job OP. In fact, I think I've seen five Columbus or Atlanta proposals today that were worse than this.

I'd put them about equal, myself. But I want no part of Bogosian, and I certainly have no desire to overpay for him. The more I see of him, the less I like.

TSA0402 05-31-2011 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viqsi (Post 33343584)
I'd put them about equal, myself. But I want no part of Bogosian, and I certainly have no desire to overpay for him. The more I see of him, the less I like.

Hmmm... well... I guess I'll have to agree to disagree. I do appreciate the explanation as I honestly had no idea where the valuations were getting so mixed up.

I haven't heard much of David Savard, but I do hope he becomes this defenseman for the Jackets that CBJ fans are confident about, because they are gonna need him.


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