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PHILLYFLYERS21 06-01-2011 09:25 PM

Nabokov??
 
does anyone think he is the answer.. because i'm not sure he is but i would mind having a russian veteran in goal for cheap to help out bob.. And also what do you think we would ship to the islanders to aquire Nabokov??

RIPRichardsCarter 06-01-2011 09:33 PM

He turned us down once, whats to stop him from doing it again?

PHILLYFLYERS21 06-01-2011 09:36 PM

that was when he thought he could go whereever and get 5 mill now hes making 500,000 and made it clear he doesnt wanna play on long island so why not here his options otherwise are slim

KimiFerrari 06-01-2011 09:39 PM

He still might have a NTC and if he does, then he will be able to hand pick whatever team we wants to get shipped off to. I have a feeling he might not want to come to Philly, but we really don't know what low-ball offer Homer made to him last time around.

Beef Invictus 06-01-2011 09:39 PM

"The Islanders can't trade him unless they expose him to waivers first, where he would almost surely get claimed by another club, whether it be the Detroit Red Wings, the team that originally signed him to a contract on Friday, or another team looking for a veteran goaltender for what amounts to a bargain in the salary cap era. "

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/22/ev...-to-islanders/

However, this is the offseason. There aren't waivers, sooooo I don't know what his status is.

PHILLYFLYERS21 06-01-2011 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 33365923)
"The Islanders can't trade him unless they expose him to waivers first, where he would almost surely get claimed by another club, whether it be the Detroit Red Wings, the team that originally signed him to a contract on Friday, or another team looking for a veteran goaltender for what amounts to a bargain in the salary cap era. "

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/22/ev...-to-islanders/

However, this is the offseason. There aren't waivers, sooooo I don't know what his status is.

Well in that case Homers gonna have to deal for cap space n either sign Vokoun or Bryz... hopefully that means we can ship carter out sign a goalie and still have some cap space free

Beef Invictus 06-01-2011 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PHILLYFLYERS21 (Post 33366103)
Well in that case Homers gonna have to deal for cap space n either sign Vokoun or Bryz... hopefully that means we can ship carter out sign a goalie and still have some cap space free

Waivers aren't an issue in the offseason (as far as I remember), but the fact that he never reported to the Islanders could be. He isn't an NHL player, technically. I don't know that it's impossible for them to trade him, but I don't know if it's that simple either. It might be completely possible for him to just not report here, and take a bigger contract in the KHL at the end of the day.

I'm sure some CBA expert here has a better idea.

PHILLYFLYERS21 06-01-2011 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 33366223)
Waivers aren't an issue in the offseason (as far as I remember), but the fact that he never reported to the Islanders could be. He isn't an NHL player, technically. I don't know that it's impossible for them to trade him, but I don't know if it's that simple either. It might be completely possible for him to just not report here, and take a bigger contract in the KHL at the end of the day.

I doubt he heads back to the KHL again but we'll see i guess i wouldn't mind him in orange n black he has a much better track record then everything else we could throw out there..

Beef Invictus 06-01-2011 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PHILLYFLYERS21 (Post 33366325)
I doubt he heads back to the KHL again but we'll see i guess i wouldn't mind him in orange n black he has a much better track record then everything else we could throw out there..

At half price, I wouldnt mind him either. I'm just not sure how feasible it is. All technicalities aside, I'm also not convinced that NYI is eager to give us a starting goalie.

PHILLYFLYERS21 06-01-2011 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 33366361)
At half price, I wouldnt mind him either. I'm just not sure how feasible it is. All technicalities aside, I'm also not convinced that NYI is eager to give us a starting goalie.

Yeah but garth is an idiot so i wold not be shocked if we stole a starting goalie from them:laugh:

Ghost of Downie* 06-01-2011 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 33365923)
"The Islanders can't trade him unless they expose him to waivers first, where he would almost surely get claimed by another club, whether it be the Detroit Red Wings, the team that originally signed him to a contract on Friday, or another team looking for a veteran goaltender for what amounts to a bargain in the salary cap era. "

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/22/ev...-to-islanders/

However, this is the offseason. There aren't waivers, sooooo I don't know what his status is.

I'm pretty sure he can be traded without being exposed to waivers. My understanding is that it's just through the current season that the Islanders wouldn't have been able to trade him without putting him on waivers.

EDIT: That being said, I don't think he's the answer in net. He put up less than spectacular numbers in the KHL and has played four competitive games since them. Just doesn't seem like the guy we want to platoon with Bob.

Beef Invictus 06-01-2011 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost of Downie (Post 33366716)
I'm pretty sure he can be traded without being exposed to waivers. My understanding is that it's just through the current season that the Islanders wouldn't have been able to trade him without putting him on waivers.

Yeah, I suspected as much. I just don't know for sure, since he's made a unique situation for himself

Ghost of Downie* 06-01-2011 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 33366822)
Yeah, I suspected as much. I just don't know for sure, since he's made a unique situation for himself

Yeah, I'm not quite sure how the tolling of the contract affects it, but I'm pretty sure that would be the case if he had, for example, a two-year deal.

Coppy 06-01-2011 10:16 PM

Tbh, should only be explored if the Flyers strike out on Bryz and Vokoun, and are getting held up by other teams in any possible trades.

He acted childish by just not sucking it up and playing out his year with the Islanders. He was bad in the KHL. He was bad in the Olympics. And his recent playoff performances aren't exactly noteworthy:

2007-08 .907 2.18
2008-09 .890 2.82
2009-10 .907 2.56

Actually, he seems like exactly the type of cheap solution the organization will turn to to say problem solved, only to have it bite them late in the season or in the playoffs.

Philadelphia Ducks 06-02-2011 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PHILLYFLYERS21 (Post 33366103)
Well in that case Homers gonna have to deal for cap space n either sign Vokoun or Bryz... hopefully that means we can ship carter out sign a goalie and still have some cap space free

Shipping out Carter will leave a pretty big hole in our scoring offense, it would be very unwise to dump carter to sign a goalie when there are so many more deserving people to get traded in his stead.

CS 06-02-2011 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Coppy (Post 33367799)
Tbh, should only be explored if the Flyers strike out on Bryz and Vokoun, and are getting held up by other teams in any possible trades.

He acted childish by just not sucking it up and playing out his year with the Islanders. He was bad in the KHL. He was bad in the Olympics. And his recent playoff performances aren't exactly noteworthy:

2007-08 .907 2.18
2008-09 .890 2.82
2009-10 .907 2.56

Actually, he seems like exactly the type of cheap solution the organization will turn to to say problem solved, only to have it bite them late in the season or in the playoffs.

1999-00: 11 GP - 2.17 GAA - 0.910 SV% (1 GP - 0.00 GAA - 1.000 SV%)
2000-01: 66 GP - 2.19 GAA - 0.915 SV% (4 GP - 2.75 GAA - 0.903 SV%)
2001-02: 67 GP - 2.29 GAA - 0.918 SV% (12 GP - 2.61 GAA - 0.904 SV%)
2002-03: 55 GP - 2.72 GAA - 0.906 SV% (N/A)
2003-04: 59 GP - 2.20 GAA - 0.921 SV% (17 GA - 1.71 GAA - 0.935 SV%)
2005-06: 45 GP - 3.10 GAA - 0.885 SV% (1 GP - 5.00 GAA - 0.750 SV%)
2006 OLY: 6 GP - 1.34 GAA - 0.940 SV%
2006-07: 50 GP - 2.29 GAA - 0.914 SV% (11 GP - 2.23 GAA - 0.920 SV%)
2007-08: 77 GP - 2.14 GAA - 0.910 SV% (13 GP - 2.18 GAA - 0.907 SV%)
2008 WCS: 5 GP - 1.78 GAA - 0.929 SV%
2008-09: 62 GP - 2.44 GAA - 0.910 SV% (6 GP - 2.82 GAA - 0.890 SV%)
2009-10: 71 GP - 2.43 GAA - 0.922 SV% (15 GP - 2.56 GAA - 0.907 SV%)
2010 OLY: 3 GP - 4.16 GAA - 0.853 SV%
2011 WCS: 4 GP - 3.60 GAA - 0.880 SV%

That, at less than the price of Boucher, is pretty damn tempting.

Jester 06-02-2011 01:03 AM

There are a lot of moving parts with Nabokov.

Ghost of Downie* 06-02-2011 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Shafer (Post 33371116)
1999-00: 11 GP - 2.17 GAA - 0.910 SV% (1 GP - 0.00 GAA - 1.000 SV%)
2000-01: 66 GP - 2.19 GAA - 0.915 SV% (4 GP - 2.75 GAA - 0.903 SV%)
2001-02: 67 GP - 2.29 GAA - 0.918 SV% (12 GP - 2.61 GAA - 0.904 SV%)
2002-03: 55 GP - 2.72 GAA - 0.906 SV% (N/A)
2003-04: 59 GP - 2.20 GAA - 0.921 SV% (17 GA - 1.71 GAA - 0.935 SV%)
2005-06: 45 GP - 3.10 GAA - 0.885 SV% (1 GP - 5.00 GAA - 0.750 SV%)
2006 OLY: 6 GP - 1.34 GAA - 0.940 SV%
2006-07: 50 GP - 2.29 GAA - 0.914 SV% (11 GP - 2.23 GAA - 0.920 SV%)
2007-08: 77 GP - 2.14 GAA - 0.910 SV% (13 GP - 2.18 GAA - 0.907 SV%)
2008 WCS: 5 GP - 1.78 GAA - 0.929 SV%
2008-09: 62 GP - 2.44 GAA - 0.910 SV% (6 GP - 2.82 GAA - 0.890 SV%)
2009-10: 71 GP - 2.43 GAA - 0.922 SV% (15 GP - 2.56 GAA - 0.907 SV%)
2010 OLY: 3 GP - 4.16 GAA - 0.853 SV%
2011 WCS: 4 GP - 3.60 GAA - 0.880 SV%

That, at less than the price of Boucher, is pretty damn tempting.

2010-11 KHL: 22 GP - 3.02 GAA - 0.888 SV%

That is also a little scary to me, combined with the fact that, outside of 4 games in the WCS where he was subpar, he hasn't played professional hockey since December 13. If we miss out on Vokoun and Bryzgalov, by all means, look into a trade for Nabby. He has major questions though to go along with his cheap contract.

orange is better 06-02-2011 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by PHILLYFLYERS21 (Post 33366103)
Well in that case Homers gonna have to deal for cap space n either sign Vokoun or Bryz... hopefully that means we can ship carter out sign a goalie and still have some cap space free

If they ship out Carter to sign vokoun or bryzgalov, it will be one of the dumbest moves homer makes, when he could simply get rid of a worse contract like versteeg or carle. Carter is on a great contract and a contending team doesn't trade Jeff Carter away for cap space. This sentiment around here is just retarded. There's no point in signing a veteran goaltender if you're trading away one of the most important pieces of your core

Spongolium* 06-02-2011 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jester (Post 33371149)
There are a lot of moving parts with Nabokov.

Generally arm's, legs, the head, maybe fingers i should hope

Jester 06-02-2011 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spongolium (Post 33372957)
Generally arm's, legs, the head, maybe fingers i should hope

Also contractual problems potentially, and the really bad approach he had to last year mentally.

phillyfanatic 06-02-2011 10:48 AM

MY understanding (take it for what it is worth) is, Nabokov is currently suspended from the Isles and therefore he owes them a year before he is a UFA again. So, he has to report and they have to un-suspend him before he can play in the NHL again, he is 100% their property. Since last year is over, Detroit is over. He was claimed on waivers in 2010 and in 2011 that is null and void, my understanding is Detroit is completely out of the equation.

So, he doesn't want to play for the Isles and they don't want him. So, he will likely be unsuspended and traded for assets this offseason. Since he is signed for 1 year at 570,000, he is an interesting option to me (We could keep Carter et all, re-sign Leino, Nodl, Powe and still take a run a free agent. Since he is signed for 1 year Bob has the chance to prove all wrong and steal the job next year or prove to be the answer 2 years from now. Plus, Bob gets his interpreter and a Russian in the dressing room.



Anyway, it is intriguing.

Likeup with Nabokov is sick:
FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($3.000m)
Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Zenon Konopka ($1.200m) / Darroll Powe ($0.800m)
Blair Betts ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Evgeni Nabokov ($0.570m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

phillyfanatic 06-02-2011 10:58 AM

Here is the latest facts:

Evgeni Nabokov plans to attend training camp for the New York Islanders, according to his agent Don Meehan.Nabokov was claimed off waivers back in January, but he never reported to the team and was subsequently suspended. The Islanders said in late April that they would toll his contract and retain his rights for the 2011-12 campaign. Nabokov sustained a groin injury at the World Championships, but Meehan said it's "nothing serious." It will be interesting to see if New York gives him a chance to crack their roster or if they look to deal him elsewhere.

The Islanders have decided to toll Evgeni Nabokov's contract, which means the Islanders own his rights for the 2011-12 season.Nabokov comes with a very affordable $570,000 cap hit. The only reason the Islanders can do this is because Nabokov was claimed off waivers by them and then refused to play. Had Nabokov served as a goaltender with the Islanders for the balance of the 2010-11 campaign, he would have entered the summer as a free agent. The silver lining for Nabokov, assuming he still doesn't want to play for the Islanders, is that the team will be able to trade him this summer. The Islanders were not able to easily move him in 2010-11 because of the CBA rules, but that shouldn't be an issue once his contract is tolled. In the meantime, Nabokov has been given permission to play in the 2011 World Championship.

KimiFerrari 06-02-2011 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by phillyfanatic (Post 33375447)
Here is the latest facts:

Evgeni Nabokov plans to attend training camp for the New York Islanders, according to his agent Don Meehan.Nabokov was claimed off waivers back in January, but he never reported to the team and was subsequently suspended. The Islanders said in late April that they would toll his contract and retain his rights for the 2011-12 campaign. Nabokov sustained a groin injury at the World Championships, but Meehan said it's "nothing serious." It will be interesting to see if New York gives him a chance to crack their roster or if they look to deal him elsewhere.

The Islanders have decided to toll Evgeni Nabokov's contract, which means the Islanders own his rights for the 2011-12 season.Nabokov comes with a very affordable $570,000 cap hit. The only reason the Islanders can do this is because Nabokov was claimed off waivers by them and then refused to play. Had Nabokov served as a goaltender with the Islanders for the balance of the 2010-11 campaign, he would have entered the summer as a free agent. The silver lining for Nabokov, assuming he still doesn't want to play for the Islanders, is that the team will be able to trade him this summer. The Islanders were not able to easily move him in 2010-11 because of the CBA rules, but that shouldn't be an issue once his contract is tolled. In the meantime, Nabokov has been given permission to play in the 2011 World Championship.

Yes they can trade him because he no longer needs to clear waivers, but considering it is the same contract from last year, then Nabokov should technically still have his NTC. (Not sure on this)

I don't think Nabokov wants to stay on the Isle, but I wouldn't doubt him trying to hold out until he can go to Detroit or one of his other preferred destinations.

CS 06-02-2011 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KimiFerrari (Post 33375549)
Yes they can trade him because he no longer needs to clear waivers, but considering it is the same contract from last year, then Nabokov should technically still have his NTC. (Not sure on this)

I don't think Nabokov wants to stay on the Isle, but I wouldn't doubt him trying to hold out until he can go to Detroit or one of his other preferred destinations.

Nabby has an NMC according to Capgeek.

So yeah.


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