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Defense_1st 06-19-2011 08:21 PM

Pronger
 
Is Pronger going to be able to play the big minutes this season and what kind of points do we expect from him?

Viller 06-19-2011 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Defense_1st (Post 33746360)
Is Pronger going to be able to play the big minutes this season and what kind of points do we expect from him?

Why would you expect anything else from him? The media blew what he said about his injury, he was trolling the **** outta them with that. (might be ready for camp, might not...)

I remember reading one of the beat writers saying that he spoke with the doctor who made the surgery and he didn't have anything negative to say... He would be back at 100% by training camp.

Giroux tha Damaja 06-19-2011 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Viller (Post 33746415)
Why would you expect anything else from him? The media blew what he said about his injury, he was trolling the **** outta them with that. (might be ready for camp, might not...)

I remember reading one of the beat writers saying that he spoke with the doctor who made the surgery and he didn't have anything negative to say... He would be back at 100% by training camp.

Slipped disks are no joke.

As for the OP's questions, who's to say.

Coppy 06-19-2011 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Viller (Post 33746415)
Why would you expect anything else from him? The media blew what he said about his injury, he was trolling the **** outta them with that. (might be ready for camp, might not...)

I remember reading one of the beat writers saying that he spoke with the doctor who made the surgery and he didn't have anything negative to say... He would be back at 100% by training camp.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...rd_300x295.jpg

Larry44 06-19-2011 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Defense_1st (Post 33746360)
Is Pronger going to be able to play the big minutes this season and what kind of points do we expect from him?

At this point we don't know if he's going to play at all, let alone start the season with the team, log big minutes or rack up points. It's too early.

flyersfan187 06-19-2011 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Defense_1st (Post 33746360)
Is Pronger going to be able to play the big minutes this season and what kind of points do we expect from him?

With his problem and with the system we run there is no chance he plays big minutes. I am sure he will play a solid amount of minutes but not crazy minutes. He is Pronger after all :yo:

Kitten Mittons 06-20-2011 12:15 AM

Why is he all of a sudden injury prone because of one injury?

Giroux tha Damaja 06-20-2011 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitten Mittons (Post 33750095)
Why is he all of a sudden injury prone because of one injury?

IIRC he's had a couple of season ending injuries before. That's not that alarming considering the minutes he plays and the # of seasons he's played. The main thing is the nature of the injury is such that it tends to be easily aggravated by lots of strenuous activity.

Flyersguru 06-20-2011 12:35 AM

Docs say he should be fine by training camp, no worries.

Spongolium* 06-20-2011 01:48 AM

He had a herniated disk. It wasn't that serious lol. I've seen loads of people on hfboards write him off saying that his career is probably over. Lol Does Chris do this to us on purpose.

flyguys7475 06-20-2011 08:21 AM

prongs will be fine! 20-25 minutes a night is perfect for him then bump him up to 30 minutes for the postseason. obviously the d is pretty solid so he doesnt need to play as much as he did the first season

Jester 06-20-2011 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitten Mittons (Post 33750095)
Why is he all of a sudden injury prone because of one injury?

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Originally Posted by Spongolium (Post 33750796)
He had a herniated disk. It wasn't that serious lol. I've seen loads of people on hfboards write him off saying that his career is probably over. Lol Does Chris do this to us on purpose.

Once back problems become a problem, they tend to nag going forward.

Snotbubbles 06-20-2011 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester (Post 33752622)
Once back problems become a problem, they tend to nag going forward.

This.

Protest 06-20-2011 08:57 AM

My fiance works in a Dr.'s office with about 10-12 orthopedic surgeons, one of which has been the team surgeon in years past. He said Pronger should be fine for the start of the season. Of course he did not do the surgery though, so he doesn't know the exact situation.

Jester 06-20-2011 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Protest (Post 33752927)
My fiance works in a Dr.'s office with about 10-12 orthopedic surgeons, one of which has been the team surgeon in years past. He said Pronger should be fine for the start of the season. Of course he did not do the surgery though, so he doesn't know the exact situation.

Oh, I expect that he'll be back and able to play without too much problem... but I also suspect this isn't the last we'll hear of his back. It just seems like when these type of problems start to crop up in guys playing sports like hockey, it's something they never fully get over/rid of.

Larry44 06-20-2011 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester (Post 33753066)
Oh, I expect that he'll be back and able to play without too much problem... but I also suspect this isn't the last we'll hear of his back. It just seems like when these type of problems start to crop up in guys playing sports like hockey, it's something they never fully get over/rid of.

Exactly. We all hope he can return to form, but until he does, the team has to plan for the fact he might not.

Back injuries can become chronic, even if they start as traumatic.

FreshPerspective 06-20-2011 10:03 AM

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I still think Pronger from here on in will be a 50 to 60 game guy.

Anyway..here is some insight from his interview. It def was an invasive surgery and as everybody says and Pronger himself admits..back injuries are tricky. There is no "one size fits all" recoveries...


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Q: How did the surgery go and how are you feeling?

”Well, as far as I was told it went very well. It relieved a lot of the weakness I was having in my leg and now it is just a matter of how the nerve regenerates itself and the range of motion and all the rest of that stuff. How it recovers and that stuff are probably another four to five weeks before we see where that is at.”

Q: Can you tell us about the decision to have the surgery, was that an option you were given or was it pretty clear you had to have it?

“It was an option, but in order for me to try and play hockey again it was pretty cut and dry. I could have went through the whole summer rehab and you know, get another steroid injection and see if that calms the nerve down, but it was a pretty bad herniated disc. The odds of it becoming an issue again were very high. In my estimation it wasn’t really that high of a chance of not having the surgery done if I wanted to play anymore.”

Q: Was this the first time you’ve had issue with your back? I didn’t notice any other problems that you have had in your career.

“No, this is the first time I have ever really had any real problems with my back, obviously you get sore and whatever, but any serious or medical issues, no this is the first time.”

Q: Did the doctors say you were going to be back at full strength or is this going to reduce your play at all?

“Well, like anything else, especially with the back, there’s no guarantee, and that was one of the things we wanted to find out when I went and met with the doctor and what his recommendations are and what he has seen. Everybody is different and everybody recovers differently and you hope that you’re able to recover a hundred percent, but that’s never a guarantee and you never know. It’s still very early to be able to tell that. I won’t know that until probably training camp or maybe even further on, who knows.”

Q: But you do expect to start the season, right?

“I don’t know, as I said today is day fourteen post surgery, so again I’m not going to know. I go back for another check up in three to four weeks and then you know ill begin to start rehab and I don’t know. I can’t tell you. I’m not Kreskin, I can’t look into the future and tell you what’s going to happen or not happen. Time is really all you can, time and patience, which I know you guys don’t have a lot of.”

Q: You’re a big Kreskin fan, huh? A couple times you’ve mentioned it.

“Yeah, you’re on the ball sir. I like it. I may throw it out there a few more times depending on the questions you guys give me”

Q: I know you’re not a doctor but for the laymen and all… from how I understand it there’s an extrapolation up against your nerve. What did they do to repair it? Did they remove it or shave it?

“Actually, I think they cut it, trim it, whatever terminology you want to use, shave it, I’m not sure of the exact term that you can use. Basically, they removed the impingement that is pushing against the nerve root in order to alleviate, we can call it vibrations, sensations, weakness that you have in your leg and you hope that that nerve. You know the reason you want to do it as quickly as possible from what I got from my meeting with the doctor was you don’t want the nerve exposed to that too long. It just creates more and more damage and you want that nerve to be able to regenerate so that you can get as much strength back as possible.”

Q: Is it similar to the surgery Michael Leighton had?

“I have no idea.”

http://blogs.courierpostonline.com/f...lies-richards/

Beef Invictus 06-20-2011 10:07 AM

I'm going to be nervous every time he winds up a slapshot.

Chris Pronger 06-20-2011 10:10 AM

lets just sit him for the entire season and bring him at 100% in the playoffs lol

Jester 06-20-2011 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DrDoom (Post 33753823)
I still think Pronger from here on in will be a 50 to 60 game guy.

Anyway..here is some insight from his interview. It def was an invasive surgery and as everybody says and Pronger himself admits..back injuries are tricky. There is no "one size fits all" recoveries...

Well, the real downer is that ideally they don't perform surgery for herniated discs... the fact that they jumped so immediately to that solution suggests this was non-trivial even for such an injury. Though, it may speed up his recovery relative to next season.

I'm not sure I'd say 50-60 games, as that is a really significant problem... but I would wager he may need to play a few less minutes and perhaps have some games off here and there to keep his back strong.

FreshPerspective 06-20-2011 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester (Post 33754086)
perhaps have some games off here and there to keep his back strong.

But how many games can you quantify that to? To me he's at best a 60 game player from here on in and it won't be solely b/c of the back although that will be the main driver. Over the years he's going to play less and less....but we'll see. Maybe he makes a really strong recovery.

RJ8812 06-20-2011 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester (Post 33753066)
Oh, I expect that he'll be back and able to play without too much problem... but I also suspect this isn't the last we'll hear of his back. It just seems like when these type of problems start to crop up in guys playing sports like hockey, it's something they never fully get over/rid of.

I'm so happy Homer signed him until he's 65 years old too

Jester 06-20-2011 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DrDoom (Post 33754158)
But how many games can you quantify that to? To me he's at best a 60 game player from here on in and it won't be solely b/c of the back although that will be the main driver. Over the years he's going to play less and less....but we'll see. Maybe he makes a really strong recovery.

I'm not sure I'd bank on Pronger missing 1/4 of each season... that's a lot of friggin games. It may happen, and if it does, that would be relatively disastrous.

Now, the concern would be that we have something similar to what happened with LeClair. Fortunately, I don't think this injury will degrade Pronger as much as it degraded LeClair given their respective positions... but we do have recent experience with a herniated disc here in Philly to a key player. LeClair was never the same again, but returned to being a good player -- at least part of his problem was that Lindros wasn't around at that point either.

He did however play 82, 35, 75, 73, and 21 (retired) games following that surgery.

Viller 06-20-2011 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitten Mittons (Post 33750095)
Why is he all of a sudden injury prone because of one injury?

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Viller 06-20-2011 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester (Post 33754444)
I'm not sure I'd bank on Pronger missing 1/4 of each season... that's a lot of friggin games. It may happen, and if it does, that would be relatively disastrous.

Now, the concern would be that we have something similar to what happened with LeClair. Fortunately, I don't think this injury will degrade Pronger as much as it degraded LeClair given their respective positions... but we do have recent experience with a herniated disc here in Philly to a key player. LeClair was never the same again, but returned to being a good player -- at least part of his problem was that Lindros wasn't around at that point either.

He did however play 82, 35, 75, 73, and 21 (retired) games following that surgery.

LeClair wasn't known for his toughness. Big difference. (Show me the money!)

With backs, it all depends on how much one can endure. I dont see this being a problem with Pronger.


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