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canadiensnation 06-20-2011 07:41 PM

Habs Top Players (2009-2011)
 
Over the past two seasons.

Forwards:
TOMAS PLEKANEC
Regular Season: GP 159 - G 47 - A 80 - P 127 - +/- 13.
Playoffs: GP 26 - G 6 - A 10 - P 16 - +/- -5


MICHAEL CAMMALLERI
Regular Season: GP 132 - G 45 - A 52 - P 97 - +/- 9
Playoffs: GP 26 - G 16 - A 13 - P 29 +/- -11


BRIAN GIONTA
Regular Season: GP 143 - G 57 - A 35 - P 92 - +/- 6
Playoffs: GP 26 - G 12 - A 8 - P 20 - +/- -12


SCOTT GOMEZ
Regular Season: GP 158 - G 19 - A 78 - P 97 - +/- -14
Playoffs: GP 26 - G 2 - A 16 - P 18 - +/- -12


Defense:
ANDREI MARKOV
Regular Season: GP 52 - G 7 - A 30 - P 37 - +/- 13
Playoffs: GP 8 - G 0 - A 4 - P 4 - +/- -3


ROMAN HAMRLIK
Regular Season: GP 154 - G 11 - A 49 - P 60 - +/- 4
Playoffs: GP 26 - G 0 - A 12 - P 12 - +/- -2


Goalie:
CAREY PRICE
Regular Season: GP 113 - W 51 - L 48 - OT 11 - SV% .912 and .923 - GAA 2.42 - SO 8
Playoffs: GP 11 - W 3 - L 5 - OT 0 - SV% .890 and .934 - GAA 2.81 - SO 1

Vanek20 06-20-2011 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadiensnation (Post 33766789)
Over the past two seasons.

Forwards:
TOMAS PLEKANEC
Regular Season: GP 159 - G 47 - A 80 - P 127 - +/- 13.
Playoffs: GP 26 - G 6 - A 10 - P 16 - +/- -5


MICHAEL CAMMALLERI
Regular Season: GP 132 - G 45 - A 52 - P 97 - +/- 9
Playoffs: GP 26 - G 16 - A 13 - P 29 +/- -11


BRIAN GIONTA
Regular Season: GP 143 - G 57 - A 35 - P 92 - +/- 6
Playoffs: GP 26 - G 12 - A 8 - P 20 - +/- -12


>> SCOTT GOMEZ <<
>> Regular Season: GP 158 - G 19 - A 78 - P 97 - +/- -14 <<
>> Playoffs: GP 26 - G 2 - A 16 - P 18 - +/- -12 <<


Defense:
ANDREI MARKOV
Regular Season: GP 52 - G 7 - A 30 - P 37 - +/- 13
Playoffs: GP 8 - G 0 - A 4 - P 4 - +/- -3


ROMAN HAMRLIK
Regular Season: GP 154 - G 11 - A 49 - P 60 - +/- 4
Playoffs: GP 26 - G 0 - A 12 - P 12 - +/- -2


Goalie:
CAREY PRICE
Regular Season: GP 113 - W 51 - L 48 - OT 11 - SV% .912 and .923 - GAA 2.42 - SO 8
Playoffs: GP 11 - W 3 - L 5 - OT 0 - SV% .890 and .934 - GAA 2.81 - SO 1

Not that bad after all, its still 0,61 ppg in the reg season and 0,69 ppg in the playoffs (forget about his salary). Hopefully he'll bounce back this year.

TheHabMan43 06-21-2011 01:27 AM

Thanks for putting this together.

Man, have I missed Markov.

Since Game 1 (2?) of the Penguins series last year, Markov's played 7 games. Wow.

I really hope he stays healthy next year.

Miller Time 06-21-2011 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain G (Post 33774787)
Not that bad after all, its still 0,61 ppg in the reg season and 0,69 ppg in the playoffs (forget about his salary). Hopefully he'll bounce back this year.

.61ppg = 50pts/82 game season... not bad for a cheap/young 2nd line centre, pretty damn terrible for a player paid to be a team leader.


the interesting that jumps out is that Gomez has been almost identical to Gionta in his production...

strange how Gionta doesn't get a fraction of the grief that Gomez does even though he's also been below expectations in terms of his production.

i guess the difference lies in the visible and perceived effort the two players put in. With Gionta, there is no doubt that he's giving his all every shift, and he gets more pts from goals than assists which usually leads to greater fan affection.

with Gomez, the effort isn't there, the production isn't there AND he's massively overpaid, so I guess it does make sense that Gionta escapes the wrath even though both have been underwhelming as habs.

Talks to Goalposts 06-21-2011 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miller Time (Post 33782799)
.61ppg = 50pts/82 game season... not bad for a cheap/young 2nd line centre, pretty damn terrible for a player paid to be a team leader.


the interesting that jumps out is that Gomez has been almost identical to Gionta in his production...

strange how Gionta doesn't get a fraction of the grief that Gomez does even though he's also been below expectations in terms of his production.

i guess the difference lies in the visible and perceived effort the two players put in. With Gionta, there is no doubt that he's giving his all every shift, and he gets more pts from goals than assists which usually leads to greater fan affection.

with Gomez, the effort isn't there, the production isn't there AND he's massively overpaid, so I guess it does make sense that Gionta escapes the wrath even though both have been underwhelming as habs.

Gionta scores goals, averaging more than 30 per 82 games. A 30/20/50 winger is probably more effective than a 20/30/50 one. With goals being worth more than assists, its easy to say that Gionta has been effectively more productive than Gomez. I'd also attribute the lack of assists to Gomez and Moen being his most common linemates these past years rather than his own deficiencies.

guest1467 06-21-2011 03:22 AM

That doesn't make sense though. Gomez and Gionta play vastly different styles of play. One is a methodical and single-tempo centermen, the other is a sporadic tempo and instinctual winger. One relies on well timed, well placed laned and good top speed attack. While the other relies on agility, acceleration and opportunity.

Both players put in a lot of effort, its just in a completely different manner.

Jakomyte 06-22-2011 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 (Post 33783335)
That doesn't make sense though. Gomez and Gionta play vastly different styles of play. One is a methodical and single-tempo centermen, the other is a sporadic tempo and instinctual winger. One relies on well timed, well placed laned and good top speed attack. While the other relies on agility, acceleration and opportunity.

Both players put in a lot of effort, its just in a completely different manner.

No. Until Gomez is the top scorer on the team, a superstar in the league, and skates around frantically during each shift so that people at home think he is trying, he will be a complete bust.

neofury* 06-22-2011 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadiensnation (Post 33766789)
CAREY PRICE
Regular Season: GP 113 - W 51 - L 48 - OT 11 - SV% .912 and .923 - GAA 2.42 - SO 8
Playoffs: GP 11 - W 3 - L 5 - OT 0 - SV% .890 and .934 - GAA 2.81 - SO 1

It must be the morning and I'm tired but

GP 11
W 3
L 5
OT 0

3 + 5 = 8... GP is 11, did he get pulled in 3 games? :laugh:

guest1467 06-22-2011 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neofury (Post 33831243)
It must be the morning and I'm tired but

GP 11
W 3
L 5
OT 0

3 + 5 = 8... GP is 11, did he get pulled in 3 games? :laugh:

There is something wrong with that stat. He played 4 games in 2009, two or three in the long run, and 7 last year.

dynastyREredux 06-22-2011 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neofury (Post 33831243)
It must be the morning and I'm tired but

GP 11
W 3
L 5
OT 0

3 + 5 = 8... GP is 11, did he get pulled in 3 games? :laugh:

Halak was pulled a handful of times which explains more GP than decisions.

dynastyREredux 06-22-2011 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 (Post 33842033)
There is something wrong with that stat. He played 4 games in 2009, two or three in the long run, and 7 last year.

Almost positive he's not counting the 4 games in the 2009 playoffs, it seems to be from October 2009 - 2011

neofury* 06-22-2011 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 (Post 33842033)
There is something wrong with that stat. He played 4 games in 2009, two or three in the long run, and 7 last year.

Now I'm questioning the Gomez stats above :laugh:

I'm only kidding but I have to say I never thought it was a lack of effort from Gomez.

A mix of:
Bad chemistry (nobody to pass to but Gionta = Gio will be covered big time)
Slump (All players have them but with him it's magnified)
Confidence (Was lost when the fans turned and the stats weren't coming around)

With an actual legit healthy line Gomez will be a 60 point guy and will stay with us until the end of his contract.

Do I blame Gomez? Of course he's part of the problem but he isn't the entire problem. When you're against other teams 2nd best line and you're playing with a guy they know can't score and another guy they know who can, being a pure playmaker they'll obviously put more emphasis on you and the scorer, not the grinder known to flub perfect plays etc.

pine* 06-22-2011 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neofury (Post 33831243)
It must be the morning and I'm tired but

GP 11
W 3
L 5
OT 0

3 + 5 = 8... GP is 11, did he get pulled in 3 games? :laugh:

More like, he replaced He-who-shall-not-be-named, who got pulled in 3 games during the long run.

guest1467 06-22-2011 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by price131 (Post 33842193)
Almost positive he's not counting the 4 games in the 2009 playoffs, it seems to be from October 2009 - 2011

Indeed, thanks.

guest1467 06-22-2011 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WTFpineapple (Post 33842281)
More like, he replaced He-who-shall-not-be-named, who got pulled in 3 games during the long run.

He also started in a game against Washington I am pretty sure.

LyleOdelein 06-22-2011 02:55 PM

Am I the only one that was hoping for some kind of Sporcle quiz link? Colour me disappointed.

pine* 06-22-2011 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 (Post 33842397)
He also started in a game against Washington I am pretty sure.

Yup, but that was included in the 5 losses (with 4 coming this year to the team-that-shall-not-be-named)

guest1467 06-22-2011 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WTFpineapple (Post 33842281)
More like, he replaced He-who-shall-not-be-named, who got pulled in 3 games during the long run.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WTFpineapple (Post 33842929)
Yup, but that was included in the 5 losses (with 4 coming this year to the team-that-shall-not-be-named)

:laugh:


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