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FreshPerspective 06-22-2011 11:40 AM

Greenberg: Flyers can't keep trading draft picks
 
The "expert" finding religion...but hindsight is 20/20 Paul! Yes not ideal to keep trading away your future or to have one of the worst if not the worst farm teams. To me more indication we will probably give up some of our higher priced players for some picks....


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“[A second-rounder] is another stab at a prospect, the fact that we don’t have any second-round picks is not an ideal position,” said Holmgren. “We haven’t had one in a while, so we are looking around at things right now.”
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Free agency has become a larger element in team building since the advent of the cap, no question. But the reason the Flyers can shop for a missing piece like Bryzgalov is that they only have to pay James van Riemsdyk $875,000 this season. That price will rise, corresponding to his restricted free agency eligibility for 2012-13 and his status as an emergent star. So, with long-term commitments in place with Richards, Jeff Carter, Pronger and probably Bryzgalov, a supply of cheap rising talent has become almost as important as finding talent, period.

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The higher picks, we can’t keep giving them up,” said Holmgren. And the history of the organization, as it will with most organizations, demonstrates the importance of the draft clearly.

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Each spike in draft success the Flyers have had has been followed by their most sustained runs at Stanley Cups. Two years after their best-ever draft – Hall of Famer Bill Barber in the first round, all star Jimmy Watson in the third round, top-four defenseman Tom Bladon in the second in 1972 – the Flyers won their first Stanley Cup. And their fourth-rounder in that draft, a 12-year pro of 240 NHL goals named Al MacAdam, was the bait in the trade for Reggie Leach, a key to Cup II.


Source: http://www.csnphilly.com/06/21/11/bG...492&feedID=704

Jester 06-22-2011 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DrDoom (Post 33836349)
The "expert" finding religion...but hindsight is 20/20 Paul! Yes not ideal to keep trading away your future or to have one of the worst if not the worst farm teams. To me more indication we will probably give up some of our higher priced players for some picks....

Source: http://www.csnphilly.com/06/21/11/bG...492&feedID=704

Right now, with the team this close, is not to the time to be rebuilding the farm system using NHL talent.

Beef Invictus 06-22-2011 11:53 AM

We don't need to trade players to rebuild. We still have a young core. We just need to hold on to our picks from here on out.

sa cyred 06-22-2011 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester (Post 33836801)
Right now, with the team this close, is not to the time to be rebuilding the farm system using NHL talent.

There is a way to win the cup while not depleting your farm system..... Thats what most teams do.

FreshPerspective 06-22-2011 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester (Post 33836801)
Right now, with the team this close, is not to the time to be rebuilding the farm system using NHL talent.

I'm not sure how close they are.....quantify it? Can they win a cup in two years? Holmgren may be looking at the Meltzer argument of maybe snagging an NHL ready prospect like a Landeskog and maybe some that can be ready in a couple of years at the least so that you can extend your window. More ways than one to slice it...I wouldn't term it to the extreme of rebuilding but of restructuring the framework. Not an easy task though....hence why Holmgren finds himself at a critical junction of his GM career where he needs to balance winning now with ensuring some kind of competitive future for the Flyers within the constraints of the cap...

FreshPerspective 06-22-2011 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sa cyred (Post 33836965)
There is a way to win the cup while not depleting your farm system..... Thats what most teams do.

Yup Boston is an example..just the right amount of tinkering...

GoneFullHextall 06-22-2011 12:00 PM

you can have a top end prospect pool and still be consitered a strong playoff team. Just take a look at Pittsburgh and Washington.
The Rangers have a strong group as well. Our prospect pool is a joke. It is possible to build up the prospect pool yet stay in the Cup contender ranks.

RJ8812 06-22-2011 12:05 PM

what a mind bottling statement

Jester 06-22-2011 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sa cyred (Post 33836965)
There is a way to win the cup while not depleting your farm system..... Thats what most teams do.

Yes, but once it's spilled all over the floor it's tough to get it back in the bottle without detrimental effect. Rebuilding is the same thing as buying stocks. Some will work out... some will not.

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Originally Posted by DrDoom (Post 33837129)
I'm not sure how close they are.....quantify it? Can they win a cup in two years? Holmgren may be looking at the Meltzer argument of maybe snagging an NHL ready prospect like a Landeskog and maybe some that can be ready in a couple of years at the least so that you can extend your window. More ways than one to slice it...I wouldn't term it to the extreme of rebuilding but of restructuring the framework. Not an easy task though....hence why Holmgren finds himself at a critical junction of his GM career where he needs to balance winning now with ensuring some kind of competitive future for the Flyers within the constraints of the cap...

They're pretty close, IMO. They were one of the best teams in the NHL this year, they just had injury problems and lost their mojo a bit down the stretch.

kicksave27 06-22-2011 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DrDoom (Post 33837207)
Yup Boston is an example..just the right amount of tinkering...

so who's our kessel that we are trading for 2 1sts. And who is our stud goalie.

RoDu 06-22-2011 12:26 PM

RoDu to Greenberg: no ****

Villedelphia* 06-22-2011 01:03 PM

Why not? Are we out of them?

Morguee 06-22-2011 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kicksave27 (Post 33838357)
so who's our kessel that we are trading for 2 1sts. And who is our stud goalie.

Carter and Bryzwhateveralov. And yes I will be leaving now.

CharlieGirl 06-22-2011 01:19 PM

RoDu, you beat me to it.

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Originally Posted by PuckBeast (Post 33840383)
Why not? Are we out of them?

Well played!

rayearth 06-22-2011 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ8812 (Post 33837505)
what a mind bottling statement


Bottling?

alx83* 06-22-2011 01:43 PM

In other news... the sky is blue.

RJ8812 06-22-2011 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rayearth (Post 33842133)
Bottling?


Pantokrator 06-22-2011 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ8812 (Post 33842345)

I don't know what movie that was, but that was classic!

Pantokrator 06-22-2011 03:15 PM

"The higher picks, we can’t keep giving them up,” said Holmgren. And the history of the organization, as it will with most organizations, demonstrates the importance of the draft clearly. "


This is one of the stupidest statements I have ever heard. It's like a politician who increases spending and says we need to decrease spending. Holmgren is the idiot that keeps trading away the picks like they are worthless, and yet says we need to stop trading away picks.

RoDu 06-22-2011 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by McMilli (Post 33842235)
In other news... the sky is blue.

thanks for the spoilers warning

RJ8812 06-22-2011 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pantokrator (Post 33846663)
I don't know what movie that was, but that was classic!

Blades of Glory

Murphy7 06-22-2011 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ8812 (Post 33847173)
Blades of Glory

Wasn't Randy Jones in that?

Beef Invictus 06-22-2011 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy7 (Post 33847661)
Wasn't Randy Jones in that?

You're thinking of Blades of Suck.

mikedifr 06-22-2011 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pantokrator (Post 33846781)
"The higher picks, we can’t keep giving them up,” said Holmgren. And the history of the organization, as it will with most organizations, demonstrates the importance of the draft clearly. "


This is one of the stupidest statements I have ever heard. It's like a politician who increases spending and says we need to decrease spending. Holmgren is the idiot that keeps trading away the picks like they are worthless, and yet says we need to stop trading away picks.

So he is dumber than I thought

Vikke 06-23-2011 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 33847695)
You're thinking of Blades of Suck.

Randy Jones was actually in Blades of Steel. The NES game where the player losing the fight gets penalized. THAT player is Randy Jones.


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