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Sad London Ranger 06-29-2011 05:09 AM

Kaberle
 
on the NHL website Dave Lozo predicts the likely destinations for FAs suggesting that Kaberle will end up on Broadway.

How do we feel about that?

I know he wasn't up to it in the final and looked very timid, but gotten better as the Bruins were more succesful. Julien played him relatively sparingly.

Still his numbers are solid, since speed and skating are not really his strongsuits I believe at 33 is just entering his prime.

So is he the next Redden or could we imagine him being the PP anchor we so badly
need and the problem McCabe was unable to solve?

MorrisWanchuk 06-29-2011 05:30 AM

please no. please please please no.

why would we do this to ourselves?

pld459666 06-29-2011 05:34 AM

Even if it is for the amount we are going to save on the Drury Buyout, no thanks.

I saw a player that went to a Bruins team and not do jack didley.

I want no part of Kaberle.

pld459666 06-29-2011 05:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sad London Ranger (Post 34279867)
on the NHL website Dave Lozo predicts the likely destinations for FAs suggesting that Kaberle will end up on Broadway.

How do we feel about that?

I know he wasn't up to it in the final and looked very timid, but gotten better as the Bruins were more succesful. Julien played him relatively sparingly.

Still his numbers are solid, since speed and skating are not really his strongsuits I believe at 33 is just entering his prime.

So is he the next Redden or could we imagine him being the PP anchor we so badly
need and the problem McCabe was unable to solve?

Bolded part - Really? REALLY? really?

He is a declining player before the PO's started, he showed pretty much nothing during the PO's to make anyone think otherwise.

If anything, at 33 years old, he seems to be a player that is actually beginning his decline and a decline that is going to be rapid in that speed and skating are not his strong suits as you pointed out. At least with speed he can somewhat make up for positional breakdowns, without that (and he has never had that) he's done.

Want no part of him.

NHRangerfan 06-29-2011 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sad London Ranger (Post 34279867)
on the NHL website Dave Lozo predicts the likely destinations for FAs suggesting that Kaberle will end up on Broadway.

How do we feel about that?

I know he wasn't up to it in the final and looked very timid, but gotten better as the Bruins were more succesful. Julien played him relatively sparingly.

Still his numbers are solid, since speed and skating are not really his strongsuits I believe at 33 is just entering his prime.

So is he the next Redden or could we imagine him being the PP anchor we so badly
need and the problem McCabe was unable to solve?

Pass he would be the next Wade Redden.

He wound up being a #6 guy on the Bruins during the PO's.

The Bruins PP actually got worse from the deadline to the end of the season.

Sad London Ranger 06-29-2011 05:53 AM

Understand your reticence but still the guy is producing and IMO much better player than McCabe, Morris, Redden etc

4 g and 47 assists 2010/2011
7 g and 42 A 2009/2010
8 g and 45 A 2007 for example

so you can't say the guy is over the hill.

Certainly he doesn't have playoff experience and maybe he is not the Finals type go-to guy, but we need to ge into the playoffs first. Compared to Streit who I though we should have gotten instead of Redden when they were available, Kaberle will be a bargain.

Our PP stinks, getting Richards may be great, but we do need more than just 1 player to upgrade our situation.

NHRangerfan 06-29-2011 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sad London Ranger (Post 34280235)
Understand your reticence but still the guy is producing and IMO much better player than McCabe, Morris, Redden etc

4 g and 47 assists 2010/2011
7 g and 42 A 2009/2010
8 g and 45 A 2007 for example

so you can't say the guy is over the hill.

Certainly he doesn't have playoff experience and maybe he is not the Finals type go-to guy, but we need to ge into the playoffs first. Compared to Streit who I though we should have gotten instead of Redden when they were available, Kaberle will be a bargain.

Our PP stinks, getting Richards may be great, but we do need more than just 1 player to upgrade our situation.


The guy was brought into Boston to help their PP...from the trade deadline to the end of the regular season the Bruins PP actually declined from prior to the Kaberle acquisition. Is he better than the players you listed above probably, but that's like saying he's the cream of the crap...and at least Morris is willing to shoot the puck.

eco's bones 06-29-2011 06:12 AM

I might have been for signing Kaberle before he went to Boston. I'm not now. I'm also thinking he's not going to score the big pay day or anything really long term. If I were to value him right now--and not necessarily to the Rangers--to any NHL team--2 years-$7 mil tops (3.5 mil per)--no ntc, nmc. From the Rangers standpoint best to stay away. Not a big game player and getting old.

jniklast 06-29-2011 06:30 AM

Pass. I don't think we will have the cap space should we sign Richards, but more importantly I don't think we have the roster space. I'd rather give MDZ another try and I also expect Erixon to make the team. An entirely homegrown defensive corps with no player having played an NHL game with another team. That would be impressive ;)

SupersonicMonkey* 06-29-2011 06:39 AM

Rather stick two rookies on the third pair.

Tawnos 06-29-2011 06:52 AM

I want no part of Kaberle, but I just want to ask a question:

When was the last time an offensive defenseman was traded at the deadline and actually worked out for his new team? It may have been recently, but I can't think of one. Maybe there's a reason for that.

DrSutton* 06-29-2011 06:52 AM

Lozo couldn't be dumber. In another article he said we shouldn't sign Richards so we could wait and sign Semin :\

RangerBoy 06-29-2011 06:53 AM

The Rangers will add a veteran defenseman but it won't be an expensive defenseman.

NHRangerfan 06-29-2011 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tawnos (Post 34280889)
I want no part of Kaberle, but I just want to ask a question:

When was the last time an offensive defenseman was traded at the deadline and actually worked out for his new team? It may have been recently, but I can't think of one. Maybe there's a reason for that.

Can't think of any recent examples either

Not recently but Leetch to TML


2-13-15 in 15 regular season games
0-8-8 in 13 PO games.

Tawnos 06-29-2011 07:13 AM

Leetch is about a good example as you'll probably find and you're talking about one of the top 20 offensive defensemen in league history. I just think that part of any good offensive defensemans game is reliant on intimate knowledge of his teams and teammates tendencies on the ice. It's hard to build that knowledge when your fighting for playoff position and trying to advance in the playoffs.

MSG the place to be* 06-29-2011 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHRangerfan (Post 34281045)
Can't think of any recent examples either

Not recently but Leetch to TML


2-13-15 in 15 regular season games
0-8-8 in 13 PO games.

Wisniewski. This year.

Tawnos 06-29-2011 07:26 AM

Wisniewski wasn't a deadline acquisition. He played almost a quarter of the season with the Habs before the stretch drive.

Gatorade* 06-29-2011 07:37 AM

Kaberle would kind of block Del Zotto, no?

I am not sure how a PP guy who refuses to shoot would go over at MSG.

HatTrick Swayze 06-29-2011 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sad London Ranger (Post 34279867)
So is he the next Redden

Spot on.

GAGLine 06-29-2011 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gatorade (Post 34281555)
Kaberle would kind of block Del Zotto, no?

I am not sure how a PP guy who refuses to shoot would go over at MSG.

Actually, I think we know exactly how that would go over. Rozy didn't like to shoot either and every time he touched the puck, people were yelling for him to shoot it.

GAGLine 06-29-2011 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sad London Ranger (Post 34279867)
I believe at 33 is just entering his prime.

No player in any sport is entering his prime at age 33.

Staals Eye 06-29-2011 07:48 AM

Nooooooooooooo! I would rather have one of our own take a roster spot. We have to many D as it is!

Tony D63 06-29-2011 07:48 AM

If we can some how get him with a 2 year 4 million contract im fit. But thats not happening so HELL NO!!

BrooklynRangersFan 06-29-2011 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYRangerSince05 (Post 34281853)
If we can some how get him with a 2 year 4 million contract im fit. But thats not happening so HELL NO!!

Basically. If it's a 3rd pair declining vet type deal that's easily buried in the minors if it turns out that he is in fact the Redden in the making that he appears to be, I have no problem with it. Otherwise...

Ola 06-29-2011 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sad London Ranger (Post 34279867)
on the NHL website Dave Lozo predicts the likely destinations for FAs suggesting that Kaberle will end up on Broadway.

How do we feel about that?

I know he wasn't up to it in the final and looked very timid, but gotten better as the Bruins were more succesful. Julien played him relatively sparingly.

Still his numbers are solid, since speed and skating are not really his strongsuits I believe at 33 is just entering his prime.

So is he the next Redden or could we imagine him being the PP anchor we so badly
need and the problem McCabe was unable to solve?

O'boy, this is a tough one for me to tell you the truth.

First of all, its diffrent worlds for a D playing on a goodteam compared to playing on a bad team. I do not know how many examples there are of D's who have played on bad teams, been traded to good teams, and all of a sudden been hyped tremendously. Its no coincidence that D's like Letang, Green and co plays for good teams, no way they develop like they did if they played for like Florida.

And Kaberle has been on a worthless team forever. Still, he has played really well like his stats indicate. And not just for Toronto, in Olympics etc he has been outstanding for the Czech Rep. I have many many many times repeatedly over the last 4-5 years seen him play excellent hockey.

The only ones who are now saying that he never been good and say that he has a bunch of flaws etc. are kids who do not know what they are talking about. He has without any doubt been a really good player for Toronto and the Czech Rep. for a long time.

At the same time, he undoubtedly struggled in Boston. Players decline. The fact that most D's like Kaberle -- with exceptions of course -- hit their prime, like you indicate, after they have turned like 33 y/o is no guarntee. At the same time again, we must also remember that it is not easy for a D like Kaberle to change teams. It sounds like a weak arse explanation, but I honestly believe that you cannot underrated that aspect. Ask any Swede how many tournaments Niklas Lidström been a huge dissapointment for Sweden. These guys needs to know how the forwards infront of them play and the forward infront of them needs to know how the D in question play. Lidström knows how to feed his centers in Detroit, and the centers in Detroit knows how Lidström will feed them. Put Sundin with Lidström and they have to start from scratch. It doesn't happend in a matter of weeks.

Yes, Kaberle would be blocking MDZ to some extent. We would have Staal, McD, Kaberle, MDZ and Erixon on the left side. I mean, thats a disaster.

I do not know anymore. I think Toronto has had a diamond in the rough in Kaberle for like a decade. I think he has been one of the best contracts in the league to tell the truth. Then he hits a really rough stretch in Boston. He makes a ton of sense for us in terms of style, we need offense from the blueline. He is great in the post lockout game. He fits in terribly since he is a left D.

I doubt we will get him...


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