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CerpinTaxt 07-02-2011 11:48 PM

The Max Talbot Contract
 
Could someone explain to me why locking this guy up for 5 years is such a bad thing? Dude is only 27 and, from what I've been reading on the boards, is a good PK'er, good locker room character, and good pest.

Is it the 1.8 we are paying him for 5 years? Cause I think if he can do all those things well for the next 5 years, and there is nothing to suggest that he wont, I think it was a good signing.

Thoughts?

Edit: Mods can move to the signing thread if they feel necessary.

Philadelphia Ducks 07-02-2011 11:49 PM

It's not the cap hit, it's the 5 year contract that's a little unsettling. For a fourth line/PKer 5 years is a long time to commit to somebody.

sa cyred 07-02-2011 11:56 PM

A 4th line pker shouldnt be making close to 2 mil a year...

CerpinTaxt 07-03-2011 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Philadelphia Ducks (Post 34574483)
It's not the cap hit, it's the 5 year contract that's a little unsettling. For a fourth line/PKer 5 years is a long time to commit to somebody.

but why?

CerpinTaxt 07-03-2011 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sa cyred (Post 34574719)
A 4th line pker shouldnt be making close to 2 mil a year...

I dont here people complaining about the cap hit as much as the length...

Readyrock 07-03-2011 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sa cyred (Post 34574719)
A 4th line pker shouldnt be making close to 2 mil a year...

After the July 1st the NHL just had, how can you be put-off by Talbot's bloated deal?

It's a perfect storm of salary cap increase, a stretched talent pool, an unsavory free agent crop and ornery fanbases.

might2mash 07-03-2011 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Philadelphia Ducks (Post 34574483)
It's not the cap hit, it's the 5 year contract that's a little unsettling. For a fourth line/PKer 5 years is a long time to commit to somebody.

I feel like he can be more than a plain 4th liner. He's got some of the heart this team would be missing, and will provide leadership in the locker room, and frankly I don't think he was a great fit for the style of play in Pittsburgh. We'll want him around for that term I think. Honestly though, for a deal longer than 3 years though I'd have expected the cap hit to be closer to 1.5 or less.

sa cyred 07-03-2011 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by CerpinTaxt (Post 34574921)
I dont here people complaining about the cap hit as much as the length...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scarfo (Post 34574943)
After the July 1st the NHL just had, how can you be put-off by Talbot's bloated deal?

It's a perfect storm of salary cap increase, a stretched talent pool, an unsavory free agent crop and ornery fanbases.

Just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't make it right. I like the player, but not cap hit/length. I think he will be a good addition though. I just think 1.8 for 5 years is high... any which way you look at it.

Beef Invictus 07-03-2011 12:07 AM

Trades exist. I'm not worried about length. If he doesn't work, someone else will probably want him for 3 years at his hit.

CanadianFlyer88 07-03-2011 12:11 AM

I don't mind the contract, as I don't see Talbot as a 4th liner in this group.

I expect to see him as the 3rd line left winger with Schenn & Simmonds. Talbot's a below average centre, but he can be an effective winger; I hope Lavi keeps him on the wing.

In 2-3 years, $1.8M for Talbot won't be so difficult to swallow.

sa cyred 07-03-2011 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CanadianFlyer88 (Post 34575271)
I don't mind the contract, as I don't see Talbot as a 4th liner in this group.

I expect to see him as the 3rd line left winger with Schenn & Simmonds. Talbot's a below average centre, but he can be an effective winger; I hope Lavi keeps him on the wing.

In 2-3 years, $1.8M for Talbot won't be so difficult to swallow.

Eh, personally I hope not. He is good defensively... but thats about it. Has really no offensive instinct at all. Hoping we sign someone for the 3rd line or let someone like Read or Wellwood or whoever battle for it

(well Homer seemed to say last night (well July 1st) that he believes Read and Couturier will fight for a roster spot. I dont think he means as a 4th liner either)

CanadianFlyer88 07-03-2011 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sa cyred (Post 34575401)
Eh, personally I hope not. He is good defensively... but thats about it. Has really no offensive instinct at all. Hoping we sign someone for the 3rd line or let someone like Read or Wellwood or whoever battle for it

(well Homer seemed to say last night (well July 1st) that he believes Read and Couturier will fight for a roster spot. I dont think he means as a 4th liner either)

The Flyers are not going to be an offensively deep team. We're going to see a 'traditional 3rd line'... likely without the strong faceoff aspect.

Readyrock 07-03-2011 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sa cyred (Post 34575099)
Just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't make it right.

I understand, but what are the alternatives?

Stick to our principles regarding free agents and play Rinaldo?

CerpinTaxt 07-03-2011 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sa cyred (Post 34575099)
Just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't make it right. I like the player, but not cap hit/length. I think he will be a good addition though. I just think 1.8 for 5 years is high... any which way you look at it.

Huh?

Anyway, so you dont like the length, cause of the cap hit then. Fair enough I suppose. I think it can be a good signing, if he can do all the things hes touted for, while potting 10 goals, 25 pts.

sa cyred 07-03-2011 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarfo (Post 34575547)
I understand, but what are the alternatives?

Stick to our principles regarding free agents and play Rinaldo?

Quote:

Originally Posted by CerpinTaxt (Post 34575577)
Huh?

Anyway, so you dont like the length, cause of the cap hit then. Fair enough I suppose. I think it can be a good signing, if he can do all the things hes touted for, while potting 10 goals, 25 pts.

There really are none. Like I said though, I kinda like the player but not the caphit/length. Nothing you can do about it.

CerpinTaxt 07-03-2011 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sa cyred (Post 34575401)
Eh, personally I hope not. He is good defensively... but thats about it. Has really no offensive instinct at all. Hoping we sign someone for the 3rd line or let someone like Read or Wellwood or whoever battle for it

(well Homer seemed to say last night (well July 1st) that he believes Read and Couturier will fight for a roster spot. I dont think he means as a 4th liner either)

He has scored more goals then any of our other 4th line players have, but that could be a little bit of playing with Crosby.

If he can move up and down our lineup like he did in Pittsburgh, no reason to think he cant score at least 10.

sa cyred 07-03-2011 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CanadianFlyer88 (Post 34575527)
The Flyers are not going to be an offensively deep team. We're going to see a 'traditional 3rd line'... likely without the strong faceoff aspect.

Personally, I would have liked to grab a somewhat defensive minded center (who can put up 30-40 points) to play on the 3rd and put Schenn on the wing. I would have liked Arnott. Doesnt play on the pk, but can play defense somewhat and can win faceoffs.

Personally, I just dont know how much faith I would have in a traditional 3rd line of Talbot-Schenn-Simmonds

sa cyred 07-03-2011 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CerpinTaxt (Post 34575721)
He has scored more goals then any of our other 4th line players have, but that could be a little bit of playing with Crosby.

If he can move up and down our lineup like he did in Pittsburgh, no reason to think he cant score at least 10.

Here is who he played with last season:

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9.23% EV 18 CONNER,CHRIS - 17 RUPP,MICHAEL - 25 TALBOT,MAXIME
7.93% EV 24 COOKE,MATT - 71 MALKIN,EVGENI - 25 TALBOT,MAXIME
5.93% EV 24 COOKE,MATT - 9 DUPUIS,PASCAL - 25 TALBOT,MAXIME
5.89% EV 24 COOKE,MATT - 48 KENNEDY,TYLER - 25 TALBOT,MAXIME
5.77% EV 16 CONNER,CHRIS - 9 DUPUIS,PASCAL - 25 TALBOT,MAXIME
5.34% EV 27 ADAMS,CRAIG - 17 RUPP,MICHAEL - 25 TALBOT,MAXIME
Gotta remember though, with Crosby/Malkin injured, he saw a huge increase in icetime, which I dont think he would be getting here.

Like I said though. I like Talbot. I just dont see him as a 3rd liner who plays 15 minutes a night on a contending team.... well I guess if we are a contending team.

mikedifr 07-03-2011 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sa cyred (Post 34575401)
Eh, personally I hope not. He is good defensively... but thats about it. Has really no offensive instinct at all. Hoping we sign someone for the 3rd line or let someone like Read or Wellwood or whoever battle for it

(well Homer seemed to say last night (well July 1st) that he believes Read and Couturier will fight for a roster spot. I dont think he means as a 4th liner either)

I dont mind the signing either...but I dont want him on the 3rd line...I want him on the 4th.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sa cyred (Post 34575737)
Personally, I would have liked to grab a somewhat defensive minded center (who can put up 30-40 points) to play on the 3rd and put Schenn on the wing. I would have liked Arnott. Doesnt play on the pk, but can play defense somewhat and can win faceoffs.

Personally, I just dont know how much faith I would have in a traditional 3rd line of Talbot-Schenn-Simmonds

Please no....I am hoping the 3rd piece of that line is not currently on the roster....I was hoping Nodl would get another shot at the 3rd line, but not if the other 2 are just as young.

I would love Arnott, just move Schenn to wing. When Arnott misses his 20 games per year that he misses, move Schenn over to center.

six sigma 07-03-2011 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CerpinTaxt (Post 34574445)
Could someone explain to me why locking this guy up for 5 years is such a bad thing?

I can't, because I'm of the opinion that if the right player is available for your needs you freaking SIGN HIM. Maybe Talbot is exactly what this team needs

If he kills penalties well and helps the rest to play better due to his presence and personality, then I say neither the cap hit or the term bother me at all.

hXc Chris 07-03-2011 12:57 AM

We have 3mil tied up in Shelley and Talbot when guys like Vokoun are signing for 1.5...thats why i'm so bitter.

SolidSnakeUS 07-03-2011 01:09 AM

Even if he is a 4th liner, if he a younger, faster version of Lappy, I think we could use a guy like him for that length.

WeekendAtBernies 07-03-2011 01:12 AM

Don't really understand why people hate the Talbot signing... do you really think a good PKer and gritty / tough guy like Talbot won't be in demand 2-3 years from now from a team who needs to hit the cap floor?

At absolute worst, he plays here for 2 years and is shipped off for a late round pick and we sign someone new.

At best, the cap keeps going up, Talbot shows a little offense, and he looks like a total steal.

No matter what happens, that looks like a good signing to me...

Big McLargehuge 07-03-2011 01:12 AM

Penguins fan coming in peace.

He's been playing at about 50% capacity ever since that Stanley Cup. He's never had much offense, so expecting him to be a third liner really doesn't work (hell, we once expected him to be a second liner...that playoff run was just lightning in a bottle and a soul sold to the devil to play through about 6 injuries).

Injury concerns are why Penguins fans didn't want him to be back on an extended contract, leaving any and all financial figures out of it. I doubt Talbot finishes his contract, to be completely honest. I wish nothing but the best for him, and I know that part of the reason he went with the most money is because he may not see another contract after this one. It's hard to blame the guy.

He may be 27, but he aged a good half-dozen years after that Cup run and just hasn't been the same player since.


You guys should be able to ship him off if he doesn't live up to expectations, though. His locker room presence is top notch, and teams will always love that. He's not a guy you look towards for leadership, but a guy you look for to keep the room loose. What he was able to do for Marc-Andre Fleury (his best friend on the team for years) after Game 5 of the 2009 finals can't be understated enough. He's just nothing more than a 12th forward/PK specialist at this point, though.


If you want him to be a Laperierre...he'll come close. Lappy was always a better player than Talbot was, but Talbot is every bit the warrior.

mirimon 07-04-2011 04:36 PM

sometimes...


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