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ForSpareParts* 07-04-2011 08:49 AM

So so so here we go: Are We Playoff Bound Now?
 
do you think that we have what it takes to make the playoffs with this team?

yes / no?

why?

why not?

to me i'm only unsure about our Goaltending situation. i would much rather a good vet backup than The Monster in that position. if Gus fails like he did last year then all we have are unproven AHL goalies to take his place. i am confident that Burke will rectify this if something goes sour. needless to say i worry a little bit about Reimer's 2nd season.

Leafssss 07-04-2011 08:51 AM

Depends how Connolly, Kessel and Lupul gel, and whether or not Liles and Franson fit into our system.

MJ65 07-04-2011 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by agreement (Post 34629921)
do you think that we have what it takes to make the playoffs with this team?

yes / no?

why?

why not?

to me i'm only unsure about our Goaltending situation. i would much rather a good vet backup than The Monster in that position. if Gus fails like he did last year then all we have are unproven AHL goalies to take his place. i am confident that Burke will rectify this if something goes sour. needless to say i worry a little bit about Reimer's 2nd season.

We are getting there and not there as yet - I am not really worried about our goaltending as we do have capable goaltenders in our system

ForSpareParts* 07-04-2011 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leafssss (Post 34629983)
Depends how Connolly, Kessel and Lupul gel, and whether or not Liles and Franson fit into our system.

say that C K and L don't gel as nicely as you hoped, are we still good enough to be the 8th seat in the East?

Dreakmur 07-04-2011 09:01 AM

we didn't make any major changes, so I don't see us making the play-offs

even if we do, we're just a first round victim anyway

legendinblue 07-04-2011 09:02 AM

Maybe if we can stay healthy.

416Leafer 07-04-2011 09:04 AM

Well one way of looking at it would be who would the Leafs knock out?

Caps/Pens/Bruins/Flyers are all locks I think.

The Sabres are one of the leagues most improved teams, on paper. So should be a tier above where they were last year.

NYR added Brad Richards. Tampa had what, 103 points last year? They'd need a pretty significant regression to fall out. That leaves Montreal... If Carey Price has an off year, maybe they flounder out? We're in for a tight race. Not to mention New Jersey should be contending for the playoffs, as will Carolina. I would say that for the last two playoff spots, Montreal/NYR have a slight inside track, then Toronto/NJ, and to a lesser extent Carolina.

At the end of the day, Toronto will most likely make or miss the playoffs by something like 1-3 points... it'll be a good race. Lots of "ifs" though. IF Reimer plays like he did last year. IF Connolly stays healthy. IF our young guys don't have any regression (since many of them had career years... Grabs/Kulemin/Schenn).

sakicisgod 07-04-2011 09:18 AM

1. WAS
2. PHI
3. BOS
4. TBL
5. PIT
6. NYR
7. BUF
8. ___


8th looks like the only spot we'll be in contention for...

TOR, MON, NJD, CAR

FLA, WPG, OTT

The east is getting TIGHT, we need significant improvements to make the playoffs IMO. We need a consistent game changer up front...

Drew311 07-04-2011 09:19 AM

Not taking into consideration any future moves, this is how I think it shapes up today.

Playoff Teams:

Washington
Pittsburgh
Philadelphia
Boston
Tampa Bay
Buffalo
New York

Fringe Teams:

New Jersey
Montreal
Carolina
Toronto

Non-Playoff Teams:

NYI
Winnipeg
Florida
Ottawa

Even WPG, FLA and NYI you could make a case for to be fringe teams.

It really will be a dog fight to get into that 8th spot. I don't see the Leafs making it without acquiring a star 1st line centre. If everything goes right for the Leafs, maybe. If Reimer and Aulie struggle we're in a lot of trouble IMO.

Drew311 07-04-2011 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sakicisgod (Post 34630643)
1. WAS
2. PHI
3. BOS
4. TBL
5. PIT
6. NYR
7. BUF
8. ___


8th looks like the only spot we'll be in contention for...

TOR, MON, NJD, CAR

FLA, WPG, OTT

The east is getting TIGHT, we need significant improvements to make the playoffs IMO. We need a consistent game changer up front...

Get out of my head.

The Iceman 07-04-2011 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreakmur (Post 34630215)
we didn't make any major changes, so I don't see us making the play-offs

even if we do, we're just a first round victim anyway

No such thing as 1st round victoms.
Montreal ALMOST beat the Cup champs in the first round going to game 7 OT.
Get to the dance and win 4 of 7 and play on.

We also have $10 million reasons to think the team will get improved before September puck drop.

Dr.Funk 07-04-2011 09:23 AM

If Connolly finally stays healthy and plays up to his believed potential then we are close otherwise I don't think we significantly improved ourselves enough.

iPunch 07-04-2011 09:24 AM

I think they will. Montreals team doesn't scare me in the least - neither does Jersey. Brodeur is getting old and didn't have much in the tank last year. Goaltending will be the Devils achilles heel.

Interactif 07-04-2011 09:27 AM

Not there yet, but closer today than on July 1. Still need a C, if healthy we should be ahead of Ottawa, but the east is stacked and all lineups have been upgraded.

TMLFAN4LIFE 07-04-2011 09:27 AM

How is Philly a lock to be a top 3 seeded team in the Eastern conference when they just traded away their two best players? Plus Jagr makes them a worse team if anything.. :help:

TMLFAN4LIFE 07-04-2011 09:30 AM

If James Reimer is our #1 goalie going into the season and not Jonas, I fully believe that the Leafs will make the playoffs. The same could be said about last year had Reimer been called up a few weeks earlier.

Darcy Tucker 07-04-2011 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMLFAN4LIFE (Post 34630909)
How is Philly a lock to be a top 3 seeded team in the Eastern conference when they just traded away their two best players? Plus Jagr makes them a worse team if anything.. :help:

no Jagr doesnt make them a worse team. they are up there with Boston and Washington as favorites to win the east next season.

Fearless Leaf* 07-04-2011 09:33 AM

Well it all depends on how Phaneuf, Reimer, Grabovski, Connolly, and Kessel plays. Lots of "ifs" if u ask me.

TheLeastOfTheBunch 07-04-2011 09:34 AM

If Reimer continues to play as well as he did last season (and everything else turns out well), then we should have a shot at one of the #6/7/8 seeds..

Obviously Tim Connolly and JML are the other 'big' factors (amongst many others) in this equation..

Phaneuf is Phaneuf 07-04-2011 09:35 AM

Nobody expected NJ to drop like a stone last season, nobody expected Ottawa to drop like a stone a couple years before that, etc. Teams sometimes just get bad. I think Philly is a prime candidate, considering how much talent they lost this offseason. I just don't see a 39 year old Jagr replacing the production of Carter or Richards. Tampa looked great these playoffs, but they actually had as many GF as they had GA last regular season. Are they a clutch team, or did they just get lucky with how the cookie crumbled? Tim Thomas basically carried the Bruins, not only to the Playoffs, but to the Cup, and he is getting older. Also, it wouldn't be the first time he followed a Vezina season with subpar play. Pittsburgh has only been a powerhouse the last 5 seasons because of Crosby and Malkin, both of which are question marks with their injuries from last season. Are all of these teams going to drop out of the playoffs? No, but to suggest that there is only ONE playoff spot up for grabs is going way too far. Everyone starts the season with 0 wins and 0 losses, and if a few things go right for the Leafs, then I'd say they have as good a shot as anyone at the post season.

willy29 07-04-2011 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sakicisgod (Post 34630643)
1. WAS
2. PHI
3. BOS
4. TBL
5. PIT
6. NYR
7. BUF
8. ___


8th looks like the only spot we'll be in contention for...

TOR, MON, NJD, CAR

FLA, WPG, OTT

The east is getting TIGHT, we need significant improvements to make the playoffs IMO. We need a consistent game changer up front...

1. WAS
2. PHI
3. BOS
4. PIT
5. TBL
6. BUF
7. NYR
8. ___

MON, NJD & CAR will contend for the 8th spot.

TOR will be in a fight with OTT (provided Connolly does not get hit, Reimer does not falter under the pressure being the #1 guy and the GMK line plays to the level of last year).

TMLFAN4LIFE 07-04-2011 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darcy Tucker (Post 34631019)
no Jagr doesnt make them a worse team. they are up there with Boston and Washington as favorites to win the east next season.

I understand that this is your thinking, but I really want to know what is your reasoning behind this. Boston and Washington, fine, I'd even put Pittsburgh in that mix, but Philly? Come on! You're telling me that Simmonds is going to have a bounce back year, Jagr is going to be an 80 point player, Schenn is going to be an all-star?! (b/c that's what they lost in Carter and Richards essentially)... there's just way too many "what-if's" revolving around the Flyers to consider them a lock in the top 3 in my opinion.

birddog* 07-04-2011 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by agreement (Post 34629921)
do you think that we have what it takes to make the playoffs with this team?

yes / no?

why?

why not?

to me I'm only unsure about our Goaltending situation. i would much rather a good vet backup than The Monster in that position. if Gus fails like he did last year then all we have are unproven AHL goalies to take his place. i am confident that Burke will rectify this if something goes sour. needless to say i worry a little bit about Reimer's 2nd season.

Yes because Burke isn't done and any sort of stumble out of the gate will see Wilson riding out of town on a one horse carriage. Burke will not tolerate mediocrity this year and I'm not sure he is done adding. The Leafs still have cap space.

MajinBlake 07-04-2011 09:39 AM

I, personally, am of the opinion that the Flyers will see regression after their trades rather than progression. That said, Bryzgalov alone has the potential to prove me wrong, but a lot hinges on him.

willy29 07-04-2011 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMLFAN4LIFE (Post 34631229)
I understand that this is your thinking, but I really want to know what is your reasoning behind this. Boston and Washington, fine, I'd even put Pittsburgh in that mix, but Philly? Come on! You're telling me that Simmonds is going to have a bounce back year, Jagr is going to be an 80 point player, Schenn is going to be an all-star?! (b/c that's what they lost in Carter and Richards essentially)... there's just way too many "what-if's" revolving around the Flyers to consider them a lock in the top 3 in my opinion.

Off topic, but do think Philly will be a top 4 team...they have improved in net, should have pronger for the full season, JVR should get more minutes, Simmonds added to the third line, they got rid of Versteeg, draft pick Sean Couturier might make the team....


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