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Mats Zuccarelli 07-14-2011 08:02 PM

Why not put Callahan as the first-line LW?
 
Like basically all of our forwards, he can play both sides. How come no one talks about moving Callahan to LW and let him play on the first-line with Richards and Gaborik?

New York RKY 07-14-2011 08:04 PM

I don't think I've ever seen Callahan play the left side.

Staggarelli 07-14-2011 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnCenafearsTheRock (Post 35037237)
Like basically all of our forwards, he can play both sides. How come no one talks about moving Callahan to LW and let him play on the first-line with Richards and Gaborik?

I would look good on the first line with Richards and Gaborik. Put Feds or Avery or someone who needs better players to make them better in there. Cally makes the players around him better and that is needed in places other than the first line.

Its an interesting thought for sure and knowing Torts we might see it in camp, but I doubt he will be there for any length of time.

Darrelle Lundqvist 07-14-2011 08:42 PM

I guess I wouldn't hurt giving it a try. But I personally think that Callahan has looked to good with Dubinsky to split them up.

RangerFan10 07-14-2011 08:56 PM

Last time he did it his game just didn't look the same, given, it was a small sample size. Already tried this experiment and it failed though. I can see him on the first powerplay unit, second line, first PK unit...he'll get plenty of minutes, might as well try not to lean on him too much...especially not at an unnatural position

Kel Varnsen 07-14-2011 08:59 PM

He's not offensively gifted enough.

CM PUNK 07-14-2011 09:00 PM

if you are gonna split up the pack line then it makes alot more sense to put dubinsky on the top line since he is actually a LW and a perfect fit for that line. doesn't make sense to me to put callahan on LW to leave dubi on the 2nd line.

Now if we made a trade for a top 6 RW then a shift to LW might make sense.

NYRangers16 07-14-2011 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnCenafearsTheRock (Post 35037237)
Like basically all of our forwards, he can play both sides. How come no one talks about moving Callahan to LW and let him play on the first-line with Richards and Gaborik?

Cally, Gabby, Stepan, Anisimov ...all these suggestions for LW and people seem to forget that none of them have played LW, let alone played it effectively in their careers. Had another poster say Gabby has proven he can play either wing earlier this week when he's never played that side in the NHL.

Not every player can play both wings interchangably. Can we stop trying to fit square pegs into round holes and just let Wolski do his thing? This will work itself out - hell whoever plays there will have Gabby and Richards - it'll be fine.

At worst it's gonna be:

Dubi - Richards - Gabby
Wolski - Stepan - Cally


And we have scoring depth on the 3rd and 4th lines so we are fine.

we want cup 07-14-2011 09:27 PM

I seem to remember Callahan playing (and playing well) on the left wing with Gomez and Zherdev. Maybe I'm remembering improperly.

Zuccarello Awesome* 07-14-2011 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kel Varnsen (Post 35039133)
He's not offensively gifted enough.

This is a gigantic misconception. It stems back to Cally's projected potential when he was in the AHL and his first year in the NHL. Since then, he's proved that he has the right combination of unstoppable desire AND skill to play on any line, with any players. Callahan would not look out of place on any first line in the NHL. Does that mean he'd be playing in that spot on those teams over other more skilled offensive players? Of course not. But he would not look out of place in any way, shape or form. He can finish. He has a great shot. He has quick hands, and he'll do anything to make a play. Every team wants a player like Cally, and not just for their third line. If Cally finds more chemistry with Richards and Gaborik than Dubinsky, Feds, Avery, or any other experimental player in that spot, then you ride the wave until it fails or you need Cally to jumpstart another struggling line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSgIZjJSbVg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4ZbsgljLII




I haven't seen Cally play much LW at all. I honestly don't remember ever seeing him at LW except on powerplays. I don't doubt that he could make the adjustment and be just as productive in that spot. We have a lot of good options up and down the lineup. It's a much better problem to have than "Where can we stick Christensen / Frolov / Drury / etc" :laugh:

WE WANT THE CU.... SEASON TO START!

JimmyStart* 07-14-2011 10:28 PM

With the variety of injuries these three would have it'd have to be called the head shoulders knees and toes line lol

Fitzy 07-14-2011 10:33 PM

Its simply not going to happen. It likely will never even be tried.

Kel Varnsen 07-14-2011 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Zuccarello Awesome (Post 35040141)
This is a gigantic misconception. It stems back to Cally's projected potential when he was in the AHL and his first year in the NHL. Since then, he's proved that he has the right combination of unstoppable desire AND skill to play on any line, with any players. Callahan would not look out of place on any first line in the NHL. Does that mean he'd be playing in that spot on those teams over other more skilled offensive players? Of course not. But he would not look out of place in any way, shape or form. He can finish. He has a great shot. He has quick hands, and he'll do anything to make a play. Every team wants a player like Cally, and not just for their third line. If Cally finds more chemistry with Richards and Gaborik than Dubinsky, Feds, Avery, or any other experimental player in that spot, then you ride the wave until it fails or you need Cally to jumpstart another struggling line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSgIZjJSbVg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4ZbsgljLII




I haven't seen Cally play much LW at all. I honestly don't remember ever seeing him at LW except on powerplays. I don't doubt that he could make the adjustment and be just as productive in that spot. We have a lot of good options up and down the lineup. It's a much better problem to have than "Where can we stick Christensen / Frolov / Drury / etc" :laugh:

WE WANT THE CU.... SEASON TO START!

One good game doesn't prove anything. I Rupp had a hat tick against us, he's not a good offensive player. And the Sens weren't really known as a strong defensive team this past year.

I watched him play a ton, the very most you can ask if for him to be a solid second liner. Most likely Dubi or W2 will be up their on the top line.

JimmyStart* 07-14-2011 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zuccarello Awesome (Post 35040141)
This is a gigantic misconception. It stems back to Cally's projected potential when he was in the AHL and his first year in the NHL. Since then, he's proved that he has the right combination of unstoppable desire AND skill to play on any line, with any players. Callahan would not look out of place on any first line in the NHL. Does that mean he'd be playing in that spot on those teams over other more skilled offensive players? Of course not. But he would not look out of place in any way, shape or form. He can finish. He has a great shot. He has quick hands, and he'll do anything to make a play. Every team wants a player like Cally, and not just for their third line. If Cally finds more chemistry with Richards and Gaborik than Dubinsky, Feds, Avery, or any other experimental player in that spot, then you ride the wave until it fails or you need Cally to jumpstart another struggling line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSgIZjJSbVg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4ZbsgljLII




I haven't seen Cally play much LW at all. I honestly don't remember ever seeing him at LW except on powerplays. I don't doubt that he could make the adjustment and be just as productive in that spot. We have a lot of good options up and down the lineup. It's a much better problem to have than "Where can we stick Christensen / Frolov / Drury / etc" :laugh:

WE WANT THE CU.... SEASON TO START!

Yea cant believe people still trash his skills. Also to your second link. The comment box
"He just might be better than gretzky" Obviously joking
Response by someone "Ur ********** retarded." Troll or someone who cant take a joke

RangerFan10 07-14-2011 11:05 PM

It won't shock me at all if the first line right winger ends up being Cally and not Gaborik...but it'd be pointless to put Cally at LW

RangerFan10 07-14-2011 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kel Varnsen (Post 35041973)
One good game doesn't prove anything. I Rupp had a hat tick against us, he's not a good offensive player. And the Sens weren't really known as a strong defensive team this past year.

I watched him play a ton, the very most you can ask if for him to be a solid second liner. Most likely Dubi or W2 will be up their on the top line.

It's pretty funny that you mention W2 as a solution but completely dismiss Callahan as a possible first line player.

Zuccarello Awesome* 07-14-2011 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kel Varnsen (Post 35041973)
One good game doesn't prove anything. I Rupp had a hat tick against us, he's not a good offensive player. And the Sens weren't really known as a strong defensive team this past year.

I watched him play a ton, the very most you can ask if for him to be a solid second liner. Most likely Dubi or W2 will be up their on the top line.

Huh? I never said anything about one game. I linked you to a couple of videos that simply highlight Callahan's underrated hands, quick shot, and his ability to read the play and score goals in many different ways. Yes, it's his work ethic and passion/desire that makes him a great player, but he's not without very good skills as well. Otherwise, he'd just be Jed Ortmeyer or Blair Betts. He's easily a 2nd liner. Now in a vacuum, he's not a 1st line player, and he wouldn't play over Patrick Kane and Marian Hossa on the first line, but he could play on ANY first line in the league and never look out of place. He'd be able to keep up with any top-line offensive players and he wouldn't hold anyone back. In fact, he'd probably make a lot of first lines even better because of how relentless he is, every shift. How many 1st liners can you say that about? I can't think of any. Callahan could score 40+ next to Crosby. He just plays the game the right way, every shift. He's arguably the most consistent player in the NHL in terms of work ethic and giving his best effort every single shift. That coupled with his above-average skills make him such a valuable player. And he's only 26.

Brian Boyle 07-14-2011 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by we want cup (Post 35039975)
I seem to remember Callahan playing (and playing well) on the left wing with Gomez and Zherdev. Maybe I'm remembering improperly.

When he first came up, the Callahan-Avery-Shanahan line was very successful.

I think the reason Callahan isn't mentioned is because Dubinsky brings much of the same strengths and requires less shuffling around.

Zuccarello Awesome* 07-14-2011 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -31- (Post 35043457)
When he first came up, the Callahan-Avery-Shanahan line was very successful.

I think the reason Callahan isn't mentioned is because Dubinsky brings much of the same strengths and requires less shuffling around.

And because we're counting on Callahan in the 2nd RW slot in order to keep our depth looking good. :)

RangerFan10 07-14-2011 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -31- (Post 35043457)
When he first came up, the Callahan-Avery-Shanahan line was very successful.

I think the reason Callahan isn't mentioned is because Dubinsky brings much of the same strengths and requires less shuffling around.

Yeah but I'm pretty sure Shanahan is the one that played on the left on that line. And Shanny took most of the face-offs.

Brian Boyle 07-15-2011 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RangerFan10 (Post 35043547)
Yeah but I'm pretty sure Shanahan is the one that played on the left on that line. And Shanny took most of the face-offs.

I'm positive that Callahan was on the left and Shanahan the right.

JimmyStart* 07-15-2011 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kel Varnsen (Post 35041973)
One good game doesn't prove anything. I Rupp had a hat tick against us, he's not a good offensive player. And the Sens weren't really known as a strong defensive team this past year.

I watched him play a ton, the very most you can ask if for him to be a solid second liner. Most likely Dubi or W2 will be up their on the top line.

...really? You honestly felt like that one game was the one and only game he could've....you mean to tell me you honestly didn't realize what he was...never mind.


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