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KingKovy 07-17-2011 02:29 AM

If Kovalev called PG and offered him 1Y/1M.. Would you?
 
If he was that motivated, I would.. Imagine the top 9 in that case! And more importantly, in case of injuries..

TheBuriedHab 07-17-2011 02:34 AM

At this point, I wouldn't take him for free.

HabsByTheBay 07-17-2011 03:30 AM

Sure.

At that kind of money he basically has to keep his nose in line, since it's really no big deal to tell him to go screw and buy him out.

One Man Rock Band 07-17-2011 04:28 AM

If it's $1M to keep him away from the organization forever, then yes.

jamz 07-17-2011 05:41 AM

I would. Put him on the 3rd line and let him do his magic on the PP. Bring him up to 1st line in the playoffs cause he is a beast on the post season.

Cole - Plekanec - Cammalleri
Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Kostitsyn - Eller - Kovalev
White - Desharnais - Moen/Darche

shutehinside 07-17-2011 06:26 AM

Yes I would. He'd add depth and skill for very little and bolster our line up in case of injuries.

nyhabsfan 07-17-2011 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamz (Post 35103677)
I would. Put him on the 3rd line and let him do his magic on the PP. Bring him up to 1st line in the playoffs cause he is a beast on the post season.

Cole - Plekanec - Cammalleri
Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Kostitsyn - Eller - Kovalev
White - Desharnais -
Moen/Darche

I stated this in another thread, you would take a promising kid like Eller and put him on a line with TWO players that show up to play 20-30 percent of the time??

Talk about killing a career before it gets started!

I think PG is playing it smart, sigh George and go to training camp with money left over. Hopefully some rookie will impress in camp and make the team or there will be some team looking to trade or shed a contract and we'll have the cash AND the roster space to accommodate them.

Were a fast skating attacking team... Kovalev is not.

He is done in Montreal and quite possibility the NHL.

BigHabs 07-17-2011 06:54 AM

I would not. Even for league minimum.

We have a new face to this franchise. We are a hard working team. We are also incorporating youth through out our lineup. Our team has good work ethic written all over it.

I don't want to ruin that image and give fuel to the haters with a I give 10% all the time player like Kovalev. I don't care how good he is in the playoffs.

I just don't want his non work ethic to rub off on the young guys.

I just don't see how he would even mesh in our lockerroom. You seen Gomez how upset he was when we won the Calgary game in over time 5-4 but blew a 4 goal lead. Now imagen that work ethic witha cancer in the lockerroom like Kovalev. I just see nothing meshing at all.

We need to keep guys like Gionta, Gill, Gorges, Cammalleri, Subban, Price, Markov, Cole, even Gomez and keep guys like Kovalev away.

I love how Gauthier is building on the original overhaul and he is bringing in hard working guys and character guys. I think Kovalev is a bad move for any kind of money. Just keep moving forward with the rugged hard working team.

You can disagree and say he has talent and all, but whats the point of offering even $1mill of our cap space to bring in a guy who uses it 10% of the time, we might as well bring in a Winchester for under a mill to play the 3rd line. Brings alot more to our lineup and what we need plus grit, not as many points, but I think Kovalev is done. Just let the guy go. He is not worth the problems.

Coldplay 07-17-2011 07:09 AM

I'd think about it, but I'd lean towards 'no'.

Gally11 07-17-2011 07:30 AM

i dunno, andrei has been working harder than when kovalev was here... but kovalev in mtl was pretty sweet. although kovalev and gomez on the same team would be a nightmare, bad enough watching gomez carry the puck two minutes longer than he should have

E = CH² 07-17-2011 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habs Hotel (Post 35104057)
I would not. Even for league minimum.

We have a new face to this franchise. We are a hard working team. We are also incorporating youth through out our lineup. Our team has good work ethic written all over it.

I don't want to ruin that image and give fuel to the haters with a I give 10% all the time player like Kovalev. I don't care how good he is in the playoffs.

I just don't want his non work ethic to rub off on the young guys.

I just don't see how he would even mesh in our lockerroom. You seen Gomez how upset he was when we won the Calgary game in over time 5-4 but blew a 4 goal lead. Now imagen that work ethic witha cancer in the lockerroom like Kovalev. I just see nothing meshing at all.

We need to keep guys like Gionta, Gill, Gorges, Cammalleri, Subban, Price, Markov, Cole, even Gomez and keep guys like Kovalev away.

I love how Gauthier is building on the original overhaul and he is bringing in hard working guys and character guys. I think Kovalev is a bad move for any kind of money. Just keep moving forward with the rugged hard working team.

You can disagree and say he has talent and all, but whats the point of offering even $1mill of our cap space to bring in a guy who uses it 10% of the time, we might as well bring in a Winchester for under a mill to play the 3rd line. Brings alot more to our lineup and what we need plus grit, not as many points, but I think Kovalev is done. Just let the guy go. He is not worth the problems.

That made me laugh uncontrollably considering Gomez was the first one to laugh it up on the bench when he watched his teammates get destroyed by the bruins while he was glued to the bench for showing a gross lack of effort and will to win. Not to mention the two back to back games in the playoffs against Philadelphia where he took terrible undisciplined penalties which basically gave 1 goal leads to Philly in tight match ups. And plenty of other times where Gomez definitely showed Kovalev like me me me attitude except he doesn't even have the excuse of being able to take over a game like Kovalev USED to be able to do. Plus, the story at the time was that Gomez was ignoring Subban more than "showing leadership and being upset at a bad win". I guess we'll never really know which it was, will we...

That said I agree about the point you were making. You should just use other players than Gomez to make it since there's no shortage of them (Gill, Gionta, Plekanec, Cammy, etc).

Indeed, Kovalev is gone and people need to get over it. I can't help but think some of the marchers are here on this board posting and making these threads/posts about bringing back this finished prima donna. :laugh:

Hell, if you were going to bring back some lazy prima donna, you would have been way better off with Jagr at 3-4M than Kovalev at any amount.

Just let this one go guys...

Ginu 07-17-2011 07:51 AM

Two words: hell no.

Belso 07-17-2011 08:07 AM

unfortunately for Kovalev his better years are behind him but the worse thing is he's in denial of it and will expect first line minutes..

Pass...

neofury* 07-17-2011 08:11 AM

I would do it for many reasons:

1) He can't possibly produce badly at 1m and if he did #2
2) You could stop playing him if he were bad, 1 mil @ 1 year = no risk high reward
3) He adds depth, could fill a serious need on our team on the PP. Markov can't do everything and may get injured, he could be our PP insurance policy
4) Adding him allows us more comfort room in case of injuries, without injuries he gives us enough depth to move some pieces around if god forbid some aren't work, like I said though if he's the piece that doesn't work he can retire, be in the press box or go back to Russia.

It's win/win and I never heard anyone ever say they didn't like Kovalev as a teammate and have never heard his "showing up" questioned by teammates or coaches but rather just the media and fans. The whole "shows up 1/5 or 30% of the time" argument is deeply untrue and flawed for Kovalev and especially... reiterating ESPECIALLY for Andrei Kostitsyn. With Kovalev it's an exaggeration but with Kostitsyn it's a big exaggeration and just goes to show the level of bias we have to deal with on these forums against Euro/Russian players.

I'm not saying Kovalev works harder than PK or others but he certainly does show up a lot of nights and it's reflected in his stats. Stats aren't everything but when you're putting up points especially at the later stages of your career on a pretty small habs squad... look at these numbers

Montreal years:

69-23-42-65 -1
73-18-29-47 -19
82-35-49-84 +18
78-26-39-65 -5

If you look

47 + 18 = 65
84 - 19 = 65

So between those two seasons it actually does average out almost identically. He just put up more points in the "second half" of those 164 games.

Looks to me like he had one bad year with us which appears to be an anomaly, reason I say that is luck plays a part. Notice how the year he did badly is followed up by a year where he did amazingly? What are the odds, and then the other two seasons are dead even. What does this mean? Aside from this anomaly season he's been relatively statistically consistent in terms of average 65pts ish.

I fail to see how a 65pt 70-75gp guy is not showing up every game. It's due to this pre-conceived notion that Kovalev is more talented than Mario Lemieux but just chooses not to use this talent every single game. This is absolutely absurd. There are players here still that till this day he had chemistry with. He played well for us and he did some good things for the city. He loves the city and team and even had the balls to say after signing with Ottawa (kind of a dick move :laugh:) that Montreal was where he really wanted to play.

The guy has heart no matter how many of you try to make him out to be the heartless slacker he isn't and his stats with our team back it up. The kind of disrespect Kovalev and Kostitsyn get around here is just pathetic. Moen is another player deserving of a lot more respect around here than he gets.

Then Kovalev's Ottawa years playing on a horrible team managed horribly that had one line and Kovalev wasn't on it. Yeah I guess he's supposed to score a lot of goals and rack up assists playing on the PP unit QB'd by a over the hill Gonchar who had inflated stats in Pittsburgh and/or Phillips/Kuba. Give me a break the team is terrible. There's a reason they are too, we have their management that was good and made it to the finals. I have faith this group can learn from past mistakes and bag us a cup.

77-18-31-49 -8
54-14-13-27 -9

One mediocre season followed by another anomaly both being on horrible teams. That doesn't mean Kovalev is finished far from it. I saw him play in Ottawa and he looked like he didn't want to be there.

2-5-7 in 20 games in Pitts isn't great and neither is 1g 1a 2pt in 7 playoff games, but lets not pretend Pittsburgh with all their injuries were doing so hot in the first place. You can't expect Kovalev to carry your team but as a complimentary player, PP specialist, he could still put up great value for 1 million even if it's 20g 15a 35pt -5 in 65-75 games. In the playoffs he'll turn it up for us and like I said depth is key. At 1 million it's an absolute no brainer guys. Sorry but anyone saying no to a 1 mil 1 yr deal for Kovalev is just a hater. Even if he sucks and plays 10 games and retires it was worth a shot, 1 million in cap space for this year won't matter and he'll retire a hab which we all know he wants.

If we gave him 1 year 5 mil I'd be outraged but 1 mil 1 year is too huge of a possible reward to pass up.

Ice Poutine 07-17-2011 08:18 AM

To answer your question here:

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO !!


And please let me reiterate that answer in French for our bilingual fans and readers:

NON NON NON NON NON NON NON NON NON NON NON NON NON NON NON NON !!!





...thank you

Blind Gardien 07-17-2011 08:21 AM

No. I just can't see how he helps in anyway. He just doesn't fit. I don't even feel like he'd be a tradeable asset either. He can offer to play at $525k on a two-way deal and fly the private jet, but I still don't want him. I like the guy, but the hockey player just isn't of interest anymore.

neofury* 07-17-2011 08:22 AM



#6 = "peace bro"

DAChampion 07-17-2011 08:35 AM

What Montreal needs is a winger to complete the Eller-AK46 line when healthy, and a 3rd line player who can jump into the top-6 when there are multiple injuries.

Kovalev could fit this need. He's not the player he was, but the matchups and the icetime won't be what they used to be either.

If not Kovalev, then someone else.

AntonCH 07-17-2011 08:45 AM

His last year here was bad enough that they were considering telling Kovy to stay home after they sent him home. He then started to slide down the slippery slope in Ottawa where all he managed to show was that he was in decline.
So what indicator is there to warrant me wanting to take a shot on a retread?
Gambling for the sake of gambling? No Thanks

DAChampion 07-17-2011 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntonCH (Post 35104955)
His last year here was bad enough that they were considering telling Kovy to stay home after they sent him home. He then started to slide down the slippery slope in Ottawa where all he managed to show was that he was in decline.
So what indicator is there to warrant me wanting to take a shot on a retread?
Gambling for the sake of gambling? No Thanks

Yeah he sucked in his last year here, 26 goals and 65 points.

417 07-17-2011 08:49 AM

Have the people supporting this idea, watched Kovalev play the last 3 years (including his last year with the Habs)?

I'll never get the obsession with this guy...

E = CH² 07-17-2011 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamz (Post 35103677)
I would. Put him on the 3rd line and let him do his magic on the PP.

Oh boy that magic :laugh:

Quote:

Originally Posted by 417 (Post 35105019)
Have the people supporting this idea, watched Kovalev play the last 3 years (including his last year with the Habs)?

I'll never get the obsession with this guy...

I never will either.

hockeyjockey 07-17-2011 08:54 AM

Yes, with open arms. I think the third line would be a perfect fit and would prefer this extra boost of talent than having moen round it out. How could you not want a guy than would love to come back and can contribute 40-45 points for cheap. No brainer and not sure how people are quick to say no when he can contribute in many regards.

habsjunkie2* 07-17-2011 08:56 AM

For 1m, I would be ok with kovy retiring a hab.

DAChampion 07-17-2011 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 417 (Post 35105019)
Have the people supporting this idea, watched Kovalev play the last 3 years (including his last year with the Habs)?

Yes I remember, he was our best forward in his last year with the Habs.


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