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DMaz16 07-28-2011 01:45 AM

Jets 2011 Top-20 Prospects #4
 
Number 1
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Mark Scheifele (C) - Barrie Colts (OHL)
Selected Round 1, #7 Overall in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft

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Number 2
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Carl Klingberg (LW) - Timra IK (SEL)
Selected Round 2, #34 Overall in the 2009 NHL Entry Draft

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Number 3
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Patrice Cormier (C) - Winnipeg Jets (NHL)
Selected Round 2, #54 Overall in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft

DMaz16 07-28-2011 01:50 AM

After adding all the rookie totals to the poll, Cormier won in a close 17-16 vote over Gregoire

Vote and don't forget to tell me in the comments who I should add to the poll next

Paradise 07-28-2011 02:11 AM

Jason Gregoire again for me. I like his 2 way game and feel he'll be a good 3rd line winger, with the possibility of filling in on the 2nd from time to time.

Winnipeg Jet 07-28-2011 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paradise (Post 35445807)
Jason Gregoire again for me. I like his 2 way game and feel he'll be a good 3rd line winger, with the possibility of filling in on the 2nd from time to time.

What he said. :5:

PensFan6687 07-28-2011 02:36 AM

Paul Postma should have gone ahead of Patrice Cormier. Patrice is a head case. Personal defects that caused him to be removed from the Flyers and we all know what he did in Junior (of course I'll get the mods on me yet again.. *runs and hides*)... but I want to give this kid a break and hope he turns it around with us. See, being positive.

I also love Postma's game. Wonder what he learned playing with Chris Chelios.

TroubaFan1 07-28-2011 02:43 AM

I vote Paul Postma. I cant vote in this poll yet.

Paradise 07-28-2011 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PensFan6687 (Post 35446103)
Paul Postma should have gone ahead of Patrice Cormier. Patrice is a head case. Personal defects that caused him to be removed from the Flyers and we all know what he did in Junior (of course I'll get the mods on me yet again.. *runs and hides*)... but I want to give this kid a break and hope he turns it around with us. See, being positive.

I also love Postma's game. Wonder what he learned playing with Chris Chelios.

Care to elaborate? Flyers?

DMaz16 07-28-2011 02:56 AM

Ya I am surprised that Postma has fallen this far.. he has a higher ceiling than Cormier or Gregoire and is closer to being NHL ready than Scheifele and Klingberg ... I know I'm higher on Postma than most but I was surprised that he wasn't in the top 3 and based on the last poll's totals he might not even be in the top 5

AF1982 07-28-2011 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PensFan6687 (Post 35446103)
Paul Postma should have gone ahead of Patrice Cormier.

For me, he's a solid offensive Dman with deficiencies in his own zone. Postma projects as bottom pairing Dman in the NHL. All of this doesn't spell Top5 prospect to me. (edit: Cormier was drafted by NJ not Philly)

Paradise 07-28-2011 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Momentum (Post 35446321)
Ya I am surprised that Postma has fallen this far.. he has a higher ceiling than Cormier or Gregoire and is closer to being NHL ready than Scheifele and Klingberg ... I know I'm higher on Postma than most but I was surprised that he wasn't in the top 3 and based on the last poll's totals he might not even be in the top 5

I have to disagree that he has a higher ceiling. IMO he's actually closer to his ceiling or possibly has already reached it and I actually like Postma He's a solid player, but based on potential I just don't think it's higher than some of the other prospects.

TroubaFan1 07-28-2011 03:03 AM

Gotta go with Momentum on this one. I would of put Postma at number 3.

PensFan6687 07-28-2011 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paradise (Post 35446229)
Care to elaborate? Flyers?

Sorry messed up. I had Patrice Cormier and Patrick Maroon mixed up concerning the whole Flyer issue thing. Didn't get much sleep the last two days. lol

Howe Elbows 9 07-28-2011 04:46 AM

Add Fredrik Pettersson-Wentzel or Edward Pasquale.

PostmanPat1919 07-28-2011 05:10 AM

Should definitely be Gregoire for #4. I think he has more potential than Postma. Add Zachary Yuen or Pettersson-Wentzel.

untouchable21 07-28-2011 05:38 AM

I voted for Yuen. I think he's going to outright surprise many. Such a smart player all around, Defensively he is a rock and he will get better offensively as he matures. Personally think we got a steal when we selected him.

Paradise 07-28-2011 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by untouchable21 (Post 35447557)
I voted for Yuen. I think he's going to outright surprise many. Such a smart player all around, Defensively he is a rock and he will get better offensively as he matures. Personally think we got a steal when we selected him.

I agree that we got a steal in Yuen, but he's not a better d-man prospect than Julian Melchiori IMO. Melchiori has top 4 ability and a higher offensive ceiling. He was put into more of a defensive role this season to compensate for Ryan Murphy's high tempo rushes. I see Yuen as more of a 5-6 d-man with a mean side to his game.

PostmanPat1919 07-28-2011 07:12 AM

Ah, missed that Yuen was already up on the board. In that case, add either Pettersson-Wentzel or John Albert.

jazznik 07-28-2011 08:08 AM

Postma, add Pettersson-Wentzel

Guerzy 07-28-2011 08:40 AM

Gregoire, for all the same reasons I picked him in the last round.

My list currently stands at,

1. Scheifele
2. Gregoire
3. Klingberg
4. Postma
5. O'Dell
6. Cormier

I really like Eric O'Dell too. This kid is likely going to get overlooked, but I think he has the potential to be a top 6 forward in the NHL. When O'Dell entered the OHL with Sudbury (2007-2008), not the highest of scoring teams over the last few years, he put up very, very impressive numbers and demonstrated some very nice offensive tools. In his first 26 OHL games, he notched 14 goals and 32 points. Which turned out to be impressive enough to get him selected 39th overall by Anaheim. What is pretty amazing about that is he was just 9 picks shy of being a 1st round pick... and he played just 26 OHL games that year.

The next two years (2008-2009 and 2009-2010,) O'Dell continued impressive on mediocre Sudbury teams with back to back 30+ goal seasons and close to the 70 point mark.

Last season, his overage year in Sudbury was supposed to be his best yet, but missed time due to heart issues. He had a hole in his heart, something he was born with. He missed half the season last year but when he did return, he returned in great fashion potting 20 goals in 39 games and a total of 44 points.

I rememeber O'Dell coming to town last year. Only reason I do remember him was because he wore #91 and was the best player on the ice. Until looking the other day and seeing he was that guy wearing #91, I didn't know. I remember him to this day. Didn't know his name or much about him, but looking back I remember him. He was dominant.

In my opinion, O'Dell stands a good chance of becoming a top 6 forward at the NHL level, and if not that, a real good 3rd line forward. This kid has the tools, I have no doubt about that. I think he'll surprise.

O'Dell is a much more prolific offensive player than Cormier. And while I don't simply go by offense, it's interesting that these 2 are from the same 2008 draft class. O'Dell went 39th and Cormier went 45th.

I'm a firm believer Eric O'Dell is a fine prospect, and one thats high end potential is a top 6 forward, and if not that than a very good 3rd line forward.

Joe Hallenback 07-28-2011 09:04 AM

Shocked people are choosing Gregoire. He had solid College career but not spectacular. Especially considering there are prospects who have either much better pedigree or better seasons such as Postmas last year in the AHL

Guerzy 07-28-2011 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Hallenback (Post 35449193)
Shocked people are choosing Gregoire. He had solid College career but not spectacular. Especially considering there are prospects who have either much better pedigree or better seasons such as Postmas last year in the AHL

There are a few guys who posted similar college numbers to Gregoire who are solid NHL'ers. And even some guys coming up through the ranks today appear similar and comparable. Not that that should be the lone bar in terms of projecting where these kids may end up as some post those numbers and never go on to do anything else in the AHL or NHL. I suppose at this point with these being kids and prospects, it's a bit difficult to get a true sense of where they will end up 2-5 years from now. But considering how poor the cupboard is here, I don't think Gregoire is too bad of a choice given the cards we're dealt here. Not only that and our lack of high-end depth, but I'm a believer that Gregoire has the tools to become a solid top 9 winger.

Carolina's top rated prospect Zac Dalpe is who I compare him too and have hopes Gregoire is a similar player. Both are considered solid two-way players who have a knack for scoring, but not overly flashy. Dalpe is without question more advanced than Gregoire as he just finished a solid rookie campaign in the AHL posting 23 goals and 57 points in 61 games. Where their offensive numbers pan out is a bit difficult to pin point, but nonetheless both Dalpe and Gregoire are pretty impressive and comparable prospects, in my opinion.

puck stoppa 07-28-2011 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Hallenback (Post 35449193)
Shocked people are choosing Gregoire. He had solid College career but not spectacular. Especially considering there are prospects who have either much better pedigree or better seasons such as Postmas last year in the AHL

Numbers never look that good in college, but Gregoire would be similar to Zajac with a solid two way game, and he's older so may be more NHL ready. Im not saying he'll be as good as Zajac but comparble numbers and good in all three zones.
Zajac - 36 and 47 points at UND
Gregoire - 37 and 43 points at UND last two years

Camp will be fun to watch this year as these guys battle for the bottom six spots.

Huffer 07-28-2011 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guerzy (Post 35448793)
Gregoire, for all the same reasons I picked him in the last round.

My list currently stands at,

1. Scheifele
2. Gregoire
3. Klingberg
4. O'Dell
5. Cormier


I really like Eric O'Dell too. This kid is likely going to get overlooked, but I think he has the potential to be a top 6 forward in the NHL. When O'Dell entered the OHL with Sudbury (2007-2008), not the highest of scoring teams over the last few years, he put up very, very impressive numbers and demonstrated some very nice offensive tools. In his first 26 OHL games, he notched 14 goals and 32 points. Which turned out to be impressive enough to get him selected 39th overall by Anaheim. What is pretty amazing about that is he was just 9 picks shy of being a 1st round pick... and he played just 26 OHL games that year.

The next two years (2008-2009 and 2009-2010,) O'Dell continued impressive on mediocre Sudbury teams with back to back 30+ goal seasons and close to the 70 point mark.

Last season, his overage year in Sudbury was supposed to be his best yet, but missed time due to heart issues. He had a hole in his heart, something he was born with. He missed half the season last year but when he did return, he returned in great fashion potting 20 goals in 39 games and a total of 44 points.

I rememeber O'Dell coming to town last year. Only reason I do remember him was because he wore #91 and was the best player on the ice. Until looking the other day and seeing he was that guy wearing #91, I didn't know. I remember him to this day. Didn't know his name or much about him, but looking back I remember him. He was dominant.

In my opinion, O'Dell stands a good chance of becoming a top 6 forward at the NHL level, and if not that, a real good 3rd line forward. This kid has the tools, I have no doubt about that. I think he'll surprise.

O'Dell is a much more prolific offensive player than Cormier. And while I don't simply go by offense, it's interesting that these 2 are from the same 2008 draft class. O'Dell went 39th and Cormier went 45th.

I'm a firm believer Eric O'Dell is a fine prospect, and one thats high end potential is a top 6 forward, and if not that than a very good 3rd line forward.

Loved reading this, thanks Guerzy!

Guerzy 07-28-2011 09:51 AM

If I had to write up a potential line-up based on our team/prospects and how I would project things for 3-5 years from now, I'd go the following.

* Remember, this is projections here, nothing to go by, so it's a lot of throwing crap at the wall and who knows what sticks.


Kane - Scheifele - Little
Ladd - Burmistrov - Wheeler/Fehr
Gregoire - O'Dell - Fehr/Wheeler
Cormier - Albert - Klingberg

Enstrom - Bogosian
[top 4 d-man] - Byfuglien
Yuen - Postma

Pavelec
#2

Joe Hallenback 07-28-2011 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puck stoppa (Post 35449645)
Numbers never look that good in college, but Gregoire would be similar to Zajac with a solid two way game, and he's older so may be more NHL ready. Im not saying he'll be as good as Zajac but comparble numbers and good in all three zones.
Zajac - 36 and 47 points at UND
Gregoire - 37 and 43 points at UND last two years

Camp will be fun to watch this year as these guys battle for the bottom six spots.

Zajac was also a 6'2 200 pound first round pick that played in the World Juniors and was 19 when he put those numbers up not 20 and 21. Numbers are not a good way to determine what a guy will no in the NHL

I like Gregoire but we have much better,younger and solid guys at this point.


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