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Ricelund 08-03-2011 12:09 PM

Hawks re-sign Sharp, 5 years at $5.9m per
 
All over Twitter.

$5.9 a year is a lot for Sharp. I'm not saying he's not worth it, but that's a lot of money for Sharp. $2 million a year more than Franzen. About as much as Zetterberg.

RedWingsNow* 08-03-2011 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rice (Post 35627611)
All over Twitter.

$5.9 a year is a lot for Sharp. I'm not saying he's not worth it, but that's a lot of money for Sharp. $2 million a year more than Franzen. About as much as Zetterberg.

Patrick Sharp is a really good player. Given that this contract takes him to 36 years old, it's not really so bad at all

Shoalzie 08-03-2011 12:24 PM

What is with this new obsession over what rival teams sign their players for? Yeah, he signed a new deal...what of it?

Jussha 08-03-2011 12:26 PM

I think this is a pretty good contract considering the term is only 5 years and he will be 34 after that. I guess the cap went up at the right time for the Hawks so they could make a deal like this.

NumberFive 08-03-2011 12:27 PM

Enh, anything to spark debate until the season starts, is my guess. :)

WingedWheel1987 08-03-2011 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoalzie (Post 35628127)
What is with this new obsession over what rival teams sign their players for? Yeah, he signed a new deal...what of it?

It's the offseason and the Wings are pretty much set. What else are we going to waste our time talking about other than prospects?

As for Sharp………that’s pretty pricey. I expected a 5.0 million per year deal. Considering the market though.....and how much was spent, I guess it's not really an overpayment.

sarcastro 08-03-2011 12:35 PM

$64 mil cap and the Panthers bailed out the Hawks big-time. Now they have a dynasty in the making. I'm gonna be sick.

Heaton 08-03-2011 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sarcastro (Post 35628449)
$64 mil cap and the Panthers bailed out the Hawks big-time. Now they have a dynasty in the making. I'm gonna be sick.

Agreed. If the Hawks don't win the next 4 cups then something is seriously wrong.

NumberFive 08-03-2011 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Heaton (Post 35628545)
Agreed. If the Hawks don't win the next 4 cups then something is seriously wrong.

From the moment I heard Scotty was headed over there, I expected nothing less in due time.

Now all we need is for Detroit to head to the Eastern Conference and we can meet up with them in the Finals. :naughty:

Blackhawkswincup 08-03-2011 01:01 PM

Sharp already made 3.9M so really this is only 2M increase to Hawks cap

Hawks have everyone of our core players locked up until 2015 and all our support pieces locked up until 2014

I am happy :nod:

Big Poppa Puck 08-03-2011 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoalzie (Post 35628127)
What is with this new obsession over what rival teams sign their players for? Yeah, he signed a new deal...what of it?

This.


My guess is that its the summer and nothing is going on.

Blackhawkswincup 08-03-2011 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by iRep TheWingedWheel (Post 35629443)
This.


My guess is that its the summer and nothing is going on.

Yep the summer can be pretty boring ,, On Hawks board we had a 2 page discussion on Marcel Hossa

He shouldn't even garner a 1 post response

Ricelund 08-03-2011 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoalzie (Post 35628127)
What is with this new obsession over what rival teams sign their players for? Yeah, he signed a new deal...what of it?

I wouldn't call it an "obsession," two major pieces from two of the Wings' biggest rivals re-signed recently. It's not like we're talking about Kent Huskins re-signing with the Sharks or something. It's discussion-worthy and there's no other news to talk about.

Never mind, let's just keep debating whether or not Osgood's number should be retired!

crashman 08-03-2011 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarcastro (Post 35628449)
$64 mil cap and the Panthers bailed out the Hawks big-time. Now they have a dynasty in the making. I'm gonna be sick.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Heaton (Post 35628545)
Agreed. If the Hawks don't win the next 4 cups then something is seriously wrong.

I'm not sure if either of you are being sarcastic, but...

It's this signing that finally set them over the edge? People seem to forget the pieces that they lost while trying to get under the cap. I think they're just like the other top teams in the West...Van, San Jose, LA, Chicago, Detroit...all pretty equal IMO.

The Wings have probably taken a step back because of age, but this signing and other off-season moves haven't really made the Hawks a better team IMO. Sharp is a quality player, but I never doubted for a second that he'd re-sign in Chicago.

Winger98 08-03-2011 01:25 PM

I guess Sharp had a career year at just the right time. He's a really nice player, but that just feels high to me. Have to wonder, does this make Flip a $4.25m player?

detredWINgs 08-03-2011 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Winger98 (Post 35630283)
I guess Sharp had a career year at just the right time. He's a really nice player, but that just feels high to me. Have to wonder, does this make Flip a $4.25m player?

I'm confused.

Why are we comparing a 27 year old who, while solid defensively, is not physical, has never scored 20 goals, and has yet to reach 40 points....to a guy who is just 2 years older, actually hits, is just as solid defensively, has scored 25+ goals for the past 4 years straight, and has been on pace for 60+ points during that same period?

sarcastro 08-03-2011 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 35629371)
Sharp already made 3.9M so really this is only 2M increase to Hawks cap

Hawks have everyone of our core players locked up until 2015 and all our support pieces locked up until 2014

I am happy :nod:

Let's just hope that all your core players get old and/or injured, like the Wings' guys have since they got their core locked up a couple years ago. ;)

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Originally Posted by The Wingman (Post 35629965)
I'm not sure if either of you are being sarcastic, but...

It's this signing that finally set them over the edge? People seem to forget the pieces that they lost while trying to get under the cap. I think they're just like the other top teams in the West...Van, San Jose, LA, Chicago, Detroit...all pretty equal IMO.

The Wings have probably taken a step back because of age, but this signing and other off-season moves haven't really made the Hawks a better team IMO. Sharp is a quality player, but I never doubted for a second that he'd re-sign in Chicago.

The hope was that their cap problems would cause Chicago to have to dump some of their good players, such as Seabrook, Sharp, etc. Now they get to keep everyone, they get rid of deadweight Brian Campbell, they pick up two solid if unspectacular defenders in Montador and ODonnell, they have a 23 year old Frolik who is probably going to develop into a 30-40 goal man for them, and so on.

They were good enough to win the Cup last year, they've picked up some decent pieces and they haven't lost anything that was in any way important. That's why some of us are pissed.

NumberFive 08-03-2011 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rice (Post 35629783)
I wouldn't call it an "obsession," two major pieces from two of the Wings' biggest rivals re-signed recently. It's not like we're talking about Kent Huskins re-signing with the Sharks or something. It's discussion-worthy and there's no other news to talk about.

Never mind, let's just keep debating whether or not Osgood's number should be retired!

No. Next.

detredWINgs 08-03-2011 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wingman (Post 35629965)
I'm not sure if either of you are being sarcastic, but...

It's this signing that finally set them over the edge? People seem to forget the pieces that they lost while trying to get under the cap. I think they're just like the other top teams in the West...Van, San Jose, LA, Chicago, Detroit...all pretty equal IMO.

The Wings have probably taken a step back because of age, but this signing and other off-season moves haven't really made the Hawks a better team IMO. Sharp is a quality player, but I never doubted for a second that he'd re-sign in Chicago.

Yeah, I'm not quite sure who this signing sets them up to be much more than they are now. They struggled to make the playoffs last year. This year, Crawford is still unproven, and while they're a hell of a lot scrappier this year than they were last, losing Campbell is a much bigger deal than people are making it out to be, simply because of the salary that was moved as a result. They also lost Brouwer and Kopecky who, while not exactly huge pieces to the puzzle, weren't exactly upgraded with additions like Brunette and Olesz.

Its the Sharks that worry me a lot more with their additions of Handzus, White, and Burns, and with Couture moving up the ranks with lightning speed.

crashman 08-03-2011 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sarcastro (Post 35630917)
Let's just hope that all your core players get old and/or injured, like the Wings' guys have since they got their core locked up a couple years ago. ;)



The hope was that their cap problems would cause Chicago to have to dump some of their good players, such as Seabrook, Sharp, etc. Now they get to keep everyone, they get rid of deadweight Brian Campbell, they pick up two solid if unspectacular defenders in Montador and ODonnell, they have a 23 year old Frolik who is probably going to develop into a 30-40 goal man for them, and so on.

They were good enough to win the Cup last year, they've picked up some decent pieces and they haven't lost anything that was in any way important. That's why some of us are pissed.

Well, just to calm you down a little...

Brian Campbell was not dead weight. He was overpaid, but he was still a VERY good defenseman.

If Frolik has 40 goal potential, then Kane has 70 goal potential and we're screwed anyway. ;)

Somehow, Kopecky was a world-beater for them at times, losing him at 1.2m (or whatever he made) is a loss. Same goes for Brouwer.

Plus they lost Ladd, Byfuglien and Versteeg the year before...all very good players in their given roles.

NumberFive 08-03-2011 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by detredWINgs (Post 35631045)
Yeah, I'm not quite sure who this signing sets them up to be much more than they are now. They struggled to make the playoffs last year. This year, Crawford is still unproven, and while they're a hell of a lot scrappier this year than they were last, losing Campbell is a much bigger deal than people are making it out to be, simply because of the salary that was moved as a result. They also lost Brouwer and Kopecky who, while not exactly huge pieces to the puzzle, weren't exactly upgraded with additions like Brunette and Olesz.

Its the Sharks that worry me a lot more with their additions of Handzus, White, and Burns, and with Couture moving up the ranks with lightning speed.

Not sure I agree with that statement about Crawford. He was pretty solid the year before last, then last year he became money in the bank. True, he had a couple of shaky outings, but what goalie doesn't? Even Brodeur was known to have a disasterous outing once in a while (before you jump on me, I'm not talking about last year here, that whole season was a disaster for him, but that wasn't his fault).



detredWINgs 08-03-2011 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarcastro (Post 35630917)
Let's just hope that all your core players get old and/or injured, like the Wings' guys have since they got their core locked up a couple years ago. ;)



The hope was that their cap problems would cause Chicago to have to dump some of their good players, such as Seabrook, Sharp, etc. Now they get to keep everyone, they get rid of deadweight Brian Campbell, they pick up two solid if unspectacular defenders in Montador and ODonnell, they have a 23 year old Frolik who is probably going to develop into a 30-40 goal man for them, and so on.

They were good enough to win the Cup last year, they've picked up some decent pieces and they haven't lost anything that was in any way important. That's why some of us are pissed.

Right. Brian Campbell was clearly not important, as evidenced by his 25-30 minutes in the playoffs, his role as the Hawks #3 Dman, a 2nd unit PKer, and his 35 point scoring pace despite getting 2nd unit PP time. :rolleyes:

But of course Sean O'Donnell - the 39 year old Dman who wasn't even a top 4 PKer for the Flyers and allotted just 12 minutes of ice time per game in the playoffs - is "solid." :rolleyes:

detredWINgs 08-03-2011 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NumberFive (Post 35631329)

Not sure I agree with that statement about Crawford. He was pretty solid the year before last, then last year he became money in the bank. True, he had a couple of shaky outings, but what goalie doesn't? Even Brodeur was known to have a disasterous outing once in a while (before you jump on me, I'm not talking about last year here, that whole season was a disaster for him, but that wasn't his fault).



Wait, what? The season before last? When he played all of one game?

He played 8 games over a span of 5 years before this year. That tells us nothing.

The test for goaltenders has always been and will always be whether than can adjust to shooters that actually scout him and get to know his tendencies. The hockey world is littered with goalies who have wowed in the first year or 2 of their established careers and have petered out once shooters get familiar with them.

I respectfully, but completely, disagree.

sarcastro 08-03-2011 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wingman (Post 35631247)
Well, just to calm you down a little...

Brian Campbell was not dead weight. He was overpaid, but he was still a VERY good defenseman.

If Frolik has 40 goal potential, then Kane has 70 goal potential and we're screwed anyway. ;)

Somehow, Kopecky was a world-beater for them at times, losing him at 1.2m (or whatever he made) is a loss. Same goes for Brouwer.

Plus they lost Ladd, Byfuglien and Versteeg the year before...all very good players in their given roles.

Frolik has elite skill. It didn't pan out in Florida because, well, whose elite skill has EVER panned out in Florida? But they got him basically for nothing and it's exactly the kind of supportive skilled environment where a guy like that can flourish. Dude scored 20 goals a couple years back and he's only 23. Bury him if you wish, but I give him a good chance of getting it together in Chicago.

Olesz has some skill as well - it's not unthinkable that he'd be a 20 goal man in Chicago.

Kopecky, Brouwer and Versteeg are nothing special. Fugly is another all-offense/no-defense defenseman and they have plenty of defensive talent to live without him. Ladd is a good player but he's not a gamebreaker. All replaceable.

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Originally Posted by detredWINgs (Post 35631995)
Right. Brian Campbell was clearly not important, as evidenced by his 25-30 minutes in the playoffs, his role as the Hawks #3 Dman, a 2nd unit PKer, and his 35 point scoring pace despite getting 2nd unit PP time. :rolleyes:

But of course Sean O'Donnell - the 39 year old Dman who wasn't even a top 4 PKer for the Flyers and allotted just 12 minutes of ice time per game in the playoffs - is "solid." :rolleyes:

When your top 4 defensemen play 25+ minutes a night, that only leaves PK and mopup time for your 3rd pair. And that's the sort of thing O'Donnell is still pretty good at.

Campbell is a bad defender. They'll be better without him. They have plenty of guys who can play the 2nd PP point and rack up secondary assists.

Heaton 08-03-2011 03:44 PM

Brian Campbell isn't a bad defensemen, just a bad contract. Before he signed his contract he was the most sought after UFA in the league, virtually every team wanted him. His game hasn't changed.


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