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R S 08-04-2011 06:28 PM

WHL Dmen in 2012 - Official Thread
 
The 2012 draft is going to be huge for blueliners...especially in the WHL. Even taking a look at this summer's Ivan Hlinka squad, 4 of the defenceman are from the WHL, Griffin Reinhart, Matt Dumba, Derrick Pouliot and Morgan Rielly.

That doesn't even touch on Ryan Murray, who played on the team last year as a very young 1993. He didn't look out of place at all, playing up to his competition during that event as well.

That also doesn't include players like Jaynen Rissling, Damon Severson, Dalton Thrower, Reid Gow and whoever else might make their way out of the woodwork. It also doesn't even touch on guys playing in other CHL leagues, the US or in Europe.

With those high calibre guys mentioned above, I wouldn't be shocked if there were 5 WHL defenseman taken in the top 12-15 picks next June.

Talk about a scary thought. I can't wait to see how it all unfolds.

StrongIslanders90 08-04-2011 06:35 PM

Beasts.....Teams have a very good chance at getting a few future top 4's in the 1st round....With a few potential Studs....

Confound 08-04-2011 06:43 PM

I hope the Bruins draft another solid stud defenseman much like Hamilton, maybe he won't be as good potential wise but we need another D man in the pool.

R S 08-04-2011 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BewareoftheBear (Post 35671247)
I hope the Bruins draft another solid stud defenseman much like Hamilton, maybe he won't be as good potential wise but we need another D man in the pool.

I think all of the big 5 in the WHL could have as much potential as Hamilton. A big statement, but it could very well be true.

AidanPhalen13* 08-04-2011 06:55 PM

Does anyone think Geoff Shemitsch is good enough play in the A this year?

S E P H 08-04-2011 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Renegade Stylings (Post 35671293)
I think all of the big 5 in the WHL could have as much potential as Hamilton. A big statement, but it could very well be true.

Murray - Niedermayer (I would take over Hamilton)
Reinhart - Seabrook? (I would take over Hamilton)
Dumba - Phaneuf (Equal to Hamilton, but I think I would prefer Hamilton)
Pouliot - Cumiskey (I prefer Hamilton)
Rielly - JM Liles (I prefer Hamilton)

smokes lets go 08-04-2011 08:11 PM

Does anyone have any Ryan Murray videos'? There are next to none on youtube

S E P H 08-04-2011 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gripper (Post 35673519)
Does anyone have any Ryan Murray videos'? There are next to none on youtube

Well I can tell you is he's a extremely smart player with very smooth skating and awareness that of a all-star playmaker.

prongertheman9 08-04-2011 11:34 PM

Could this years crop challenge the 2003 crop of Coburn, Phaneuf, Seabrook, Weber and Byfuglien? Now that is a scary thought!

CerebralGenesis 08-05-2011 12:14 AM

I might take Dumba over Hamilton, I really like Hamilton too

DangerMan 08-05-2011 01:08 AM

Those 5 Dmen (Murray, Reinhart, Dumba, Rielly, Pouliot) are probable first rounders, possibly even top 20. Its a good year to be looking for Dmen.

Plenty of players have been wrongly compared to Scott Niedermayer over the years, but Ryan Murray actually does look like Scott Niedermayer. Its uncanny. All the mannerisms are there.

pdxshark 08-05-2011 04:41 AM

Another kid who has impressed me is Josh Hanson. He was kept on a very tight leash last season because I think the hawks want to develop him slowly.

Good kid, graduated high school with honors at 16 (prior to last hockey season). Not as flashy a player as the others but he's definitely a player i'd look out for if he gets more ice time and puts it all together.

Ryan Murray is nothing short of phenomenal. You hear the hyperbole year after year about how X player is a future superstar but I have not been as impressed with a prospect I've viewed live as I have with Ryan Murray. Complete defenseman and doesn't seem to lack in any area.

Sore Loser 08-05-2011 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pdxshark (Post 35683217)
Another kid who has impressed me is Josh Hanson. He was kept on a very tight leash last season because I think the hawks want to develop him slowly.

Good kid, graduated high school with honors at 16 (prior to last hockey season). Not as flashy a player as the others but he's definitely a player i'd look out for if he gets more ice time and puts it all together.

Ryan Murray is nothing short of phenomenal. You hear the hyperbole year after year about how X player is a future superstar but I have not been as impressed with a prospect I've viewed live as I have with Ryan Murray. Complete defenseman and doesn't seem to lack in any area.

I'm glad you touched on Hanson, he's a guy that gets frequently overlooked on that deep Portland team. With a good enough season, Hanson could go as high as the second round. Very intriguing prospect.

I think Ryan Murray is going to be a franchise defenseman in the NHL - a guy who isn't going to dominate with his numbers, but will consistently show up on a nightly basis and just do everything right.

Sore Loser 08-12-2011 11:19 AM

A brief article
 
This is an article I just wrote with a sneak peak at our top-10 in the WHL for the upcoming season, as well as some honorable mentions to guys who could possibly work their way up.

http://www.thescoutingreport.org/201...draft-outlook/

Lots more to come on these guys as the season wears on.

R S 08-12-2011 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefsGo (Post 35871553)
This is an article I just wrote with a sneak peak at our top-10 in the WHL for the upcoming season, as well as some honorable mentions to guys who could possibly work their way up.

http://www.thescoutingreport.org/201...draft-outlook/

Lots more to come on these guys as the season wears on.

Nice piece.

Are you new to TSR? I know they recently had two scouts/writers leave them.

Pick Six 08-12-2011 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade Stylings (Post 35670809)
With those high calibre guys mentioned above, I wouldn't be shocked if there were 5 WHL defenseman taken in the top 12-15 picks next June.

Talk about a scary thought. I can't wait to see how it all unfolds.

It should be interesting to see how it holds up to the 2008 Draft for OHL defensemen. 3 in the top 4. 5 in the first round, 6 if you include Carlson.

R S 08-12-2011 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pick Six (Post 35873271)
It should be interesting to see how it holds up to the 2008 Draft for OHL defensemen. 3 in the top 4. 5 in the first round, 6 if you include Carlson.

I doubt we see 3 in the top 4 but I wouldn't be shocked at all to see 5 WHL defenders taken in the first round. I would be a large sum of money on it, in fact.

Pick Six 08-12-2011 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade Stylings (Post 35873653)
I doubt we see 3 in the top 4 but I wouldn't be shocked at all to see 5 WHL defenders taken in the first round. I would be a large sum of money on it, in fact.

I'm sure that's the case now (I'd agree), and I don't doubt you when it comes to WHL prospects. But it's very early still, we'll have to see how the year plays out.

KingJet* 08-12-2011 01:12 PM

Also watch out for Travis Brown of the Moose Jaw Warriors and Travis Hamonic of Tri-City, Brown was cut from the U-17 when he shouldn't of though.

Manny* 08-12-2011 02:02 PM

I really want the Sens to draft a defenceman with their first pick. This past draft really did wonders for our forward depth with guys like Zibanejad, Noesen, Puempel and Prince.

A guy like Reinhart would really round out our defence prospects.

Cowen - Karlsson
Reinhart - Rundblad
Borowiecki - Wiercioch

Oh, and Matt Dumba is an absolute monster.

Sore Loser 08-12-2011 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade Stylings (Post 35871935)
Nice piece.

Are you new to TSR? I know they recently had two scouts/writers leave them.

No, been there since just after it was started. I'm now the lead WHL contributor, due to our other WHL guy departing. I just try to keep a low profile ;)

S E P H 08-12-2011 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefsGo (Post 35871553)
This is an article I just wrote with a sneak peak at our top-10 in the WHL for the upcoming season, as well as some honorable mentions to guys who could possibly work their way up.

http://www.thescoutingreport.org/201...draft-outlook/

Lots more to come on these guys as the season wears on.

As you know I am not a Pouliot fan and I think Brendan Leipsic should be a bit higher, but overall great list.

Sore Loser 08-12-2011 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by S E P H (Post 35885751)
As you know I am not a Pouliot fan and I think Brendan Leipsic should be a bit higher, but overall great list.

Fair enough.

I'm a big fan of Pouliot, actually. I personally think that with a lesser team, he would likely be able to show off his talent a little bit more, and thus likely improve his draft stock. He gets buried a bit, and as a whole, that Portland team can struggle in their own end at times. While he is a developing player in his own end, I definitely don't think he's as bad as some people have made him out to be.

If Brendan Leipsic has a big year, there's no question that he could move up the list. It was hard to put him ahead of Bourke or Severson at this point though, and there's no way you can put him with any of Murray, Reinhart, Dumba, Rielly, or Pouliot ... he simply hasn't had the same success. I'm a huge fan of Leipsic though, he's a real competitor for a little guy, and really stands out on that team of big, lumbering forwards. He could have a similar year to the one Tyler Ennis had in his draft year, wouldn't surprise me at all. He scored some huge goals for them last year, really seemed to step his game up when it mattered most.

R S 08-13-2011 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefsGo (Post 35888043)
Fair enough.

I'm a big fan of Pouliot, actually. I personally think that with a lesser team, he would likely be able to show off his talent a little bit more, and thus likely improve his draft stock. He gets buried a bit, and as a whole, that Portland team can struggle in their own end at times. While he is a developing player in his own end, I definitely don't think he's as bad as some people have made him out to be.

If Brendan Leipsic has a big year, there's no question that he could move up the list. It was hard to put him ahead of Bourke or Severson at this point though, and there's no way you can put him with any of Murray, Reinhart, Dumba, Rielly, or Pouliot ... he simply hasn't had the same success. I'm a huge fan of Leipsic though, he's a real competitor for a little guy, and really stands out on that team of big, lumbering forwards. He could have a similar year to the one Tyler Ennis had in his draft year, wouldn't surprise me at all. He scored some huge goals for them last year, really seemed to step his game up when it mattered most.

Did you consider Olsen as an honourable mention at all?

Sore Loser 08-14-2011 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renegade Stylings (Post 35902261)
Did you consider Olsen as an honourable mention at all?

The other WHL guy had him at #13, I have him slightly lower. He's in the Eastern Conference so he has had more viewings than I have, though I have seen him play quite a bit. He's on my radar, but I'd like to see a bit more offensive production out of him this year for sure. I like his two-way game, think he would benefit from getting some more strength next year.

He'll be in a bigger role with the Blades, so I'm sure that won't hurt his numbers. Could move up as the season wears on.


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