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Ubercron9000 08-11-2011 02:04 PM

Situation on defense?
 
Who will be the odd man out? If emelin impresses and makes the team will spacek or weber be the odd man out? I really want to see weber play on the 2nd pp. But if diaz and emelin impress and show they can make the team will weber be the odd man out and be sent back to hamilton?

bcv 08-11-2011 02:09 PM

Weber will be traded before being sent down to Hamilton, that's for sure.

neofury* 08-11-2011 02:23 PM

He's an actor from Jersey Shore, and yet you expect him to play hockey???

Ozymandias 08-11-2011 02:34 PM

LJV is here to stay.

Blind Gardien 08-11-2011 02:51 PM

Nobody will be the odd man out... they only have 7 players so far. An 8th is needed. For the roster. For the opening night lineup, well, I expect Emelin will have to do an awful lot of impressing Martin in the pre-season to get ahead of Spacek. It doesn't seem like the Habs are very well prepared (yet) for the possibility that Emelin simply isn't able to cut it in the NHL.

BLONG7 08-11-2011 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bcv (Post 35849637)
Weber will be traded before being sent down to Hamilton, that's for sure.

Or be pushed into the 12-13th forward position...

Ozymandias 08-11-2011 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Blind Gardien (Post 35851119)
Nobody will be the odd man out... they only have 7 players so far. An 8th is needed. For the roster. For the opening night lineup, well, I expect Emelin will have to do an awful lot of impressing Martin in the pre-season to get ahead of Spacek. It doesn't seem like the Habs are very well prepared (yet) for the possibility that Emelin simply isn't able to cut it in the NHL.

I had the same thought, but let my ego aside, and concluded that they must know something we don't...

Stjonnypopo 08-11-2011 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozymandias (Post 35850579)
LJV is here to stay.

I like him. I think we need to keep playing him and he'll be a more than serviceable 5th-6th defenceman with a hell of a shot on the PP.

Mathradio 08-11-2011 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozymandias (Post 35850579)
LJV is here to stay.

Spacegoat? He's slowing down...

DekeLikeYouMeanIt 08-11-2011 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BLONG7 (Post 35851333)
Or be pushed into the 12-13th forward position...

He already politely expressed that he doesn't wanna do it unless an injury happens mid-game.

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Originally Posted by Mathradio (Post 35853067)
Spacegoat? He's slowing down...

Le Jeune Vebeeeeeerrrrre. Get with the times :sarcasm:

Odd man out... I'd hope it's Spacek after this season is over. I want Scott Hannan instead of Spacegoat but until then Spacek is good depth / #7.

UniverStalinGraduate* 08-11-2011 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Habsolument90 (Post 35853125)
He already politely expressed that he doesn't wanna do it unless an injury happens mid-game.


Le Jeune Vebeeeeeerrrrre. Get with the times :sarcasm:

Yeah I hope they quit jerking him around with the forward/defence.

I'd rather they trade him so he has an actual shot at developing as a d-man in this league.

Mathradio 08-11-2011 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by UniverStalinGraduate (Post 35853143)
I'd rather they trade him so he has an actual shot at developing as a d-man in this league.

Then, what teams would want Vébère? Also, I've got the feeling that LJV could be traded at the trade deadline (or Diaz) packaged with another player for offensive help.

UniverStalinGraduate* 08-11-2011 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mathradio (Post 35853291)
Then, what teams would want Vébère? Also, I've got the feeling that LJV could be traded at the trade deadline (or Diaz) packaged with another player for offensive help.

I don't know who LJV is...

I'm sure there are lots of teams who would have serious interest in a guy like Weber. He's young, cheap and has some serious offensive potential.

neofury* 08-11-2011 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozymandias (Post 35851699)
I had the same thought, but let my ego aside, and concluded that they must know something we don't...

I have to say though that's either a really good sign of Emelin or a really bad sign about our management.

I prefer to hold onto hope that it's the former :laugh:

THN (ugh) said Emelin and Diaz would have 19 and 17 points in the NHL. I'm thinking they might be high on Diaz too if they haven't signed another D.

Even with 5 mil left they could've given Hammer 2-2.5 mil x 2 year and had space left. By deadline a 6 million dollar contract is like 2.

They must be pretty high on these two guys. Didn't Pierre McGuire (lol) say he thinks Emelin can be a top 4 D for us this year? He seemed confident didn't he? Don't get me wrong I think Pierre is a ****** but he said something nice about the habs for once or at least one of our newly acquired assets.

5 million at deadline means we could potentially take on any salary in the league for 1 season. It's going to be an interesting year. I hope Calgary bombs goes into rebuild mode and we get Iginla on a silver platter. Of course it's a pipe dream.

Also Emelin signing for cheap to me is a sign that he's extremely confident in his abilities and feels he can help contribute to the success of this team. If he does that next year he'll be signed as a true young replacement for Hammer. Can you imagine how smart it will make not re-signing Hammer look when we have Emelin playing well and now have he cap room to acquire a true star? Every year there is the chance and to me Cole is still a wildcard move that could potentially pay off in spades. He hasn't played here so he isn't proven in peoples eyes... but it also remains to be seen what Cammy-Plek-Cole could do together :)

I haven't been this excited for a season in a really long time and the defense doesn't worry me:

Markov, Gorges, Subban, Gill, Emelin, Weber, Diaz, then there's Spacek who has shown at times he can be useful.

My guess: after camp maybe Diaz gets brought up.

Talks to Goalposts 08-11-2011 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by neofury (Post 35853375)
I have to say though that's either a really good sign of Emelin or a really bad sign about our management.

I prefer to hold onto hope that it's the former :laugh:

THN (ugh) said Emelin and Diaz would have 19 and 17 points in the NHL. I'm thinking they might be high on Diaz too if they haven't signed another D.

Even with 5 mil left they could've given Hammer 2-2.5 mil x 2 year and had space left. By deadline a 6 million dollar contract is like 2.

They must be pretty high on these two guys. Didn't Pierre McGuire (lol) say he thinks Emelin can be a top 4 D for us this year? He seemed confident didn't he? Don't get me wrong I think Pierre is a ****** but he said something nice about the habs for once or at least one of our newly acquired assets.

5 million at deadline means we could potentially take on any salary in the league for 1 season. It's going to be an interesting year. I hope Calgary bombs goes into rebuild mode and we get Iginla on a silver platter. Of course it's a pipe dream.


In this case I think its a matter of McGuire repeating what other people have said. A lot of guys that track the KHL say Yemelin is good enough to be a top 4 defenseman right now. With that in mind, penciling him in as a bottom pairing guy to start doesn't seem outlandish.

neofury* 08-11-2011 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Talks to Goalposts (Post 35853595)
In this case I think its a matter of McGuire repeating what other people have said. A lot of guys that track the KHL say Yemelin is good enough to be a top 4 defenseman right now. With that in mind, penciling him in as a bottom pairing guy to start doesn't seem outlandish.

I can't wait for this season dude so many questions will be answered. I have a really good feeling about this year. Some things won't go our way we all know that but I have a feeling by the end of it all we're going to see one hell of a team in front of our eyes. I'm sure the people upstairs saw something in these two guys. It wouldn't make sense that we haven't signed a depth D if they didn't. With Diaz I was shocked to hear that some people said he was already better than Weber :amazed: I think Weber has developed just fine.

With Emelin if he pans out he sounds like just the kind of player we could use.

Bronn 08-11-2011 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bcv (Post 35849637)
Weber will be traded before being sent down to Hamilton, that's for sure.

Does he need to go through waivers ?

UniverStalinGraduate* 08-11-2011 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by neofury (Post 35853375)
I have to say though that's either a really good sign of Emelin or a really bad sign about our management.

I prefer to hold onto hope that it's the former :laugh:

THN (ugh) said Emelin and Diaz would have 19 and 17 points in the NHL. I'm thinking they might be high on Diaz too if they haven't signed another D.

Even with 5 mil left they could've given Hammer 2-2.5 mil x 2 year and had space left. By deadline a 6 million dollar contract is like 2.

They must be pretty high on these two guys. Didn't Pierre McGuire (lol) say he thinks Emelin can be a top 4 D for us this year? He seemed confident didn't he? Don't get me wrong I think Pierre is a ****** but he said something nice about the habs for once or at least one of our newly acquired assets.

5 million at deadline means we could potentially take on any salary in the league for 1 season. It's going to be an interesting year. I hope Calgary bombs goes into rebuild mode and we get Iginla on a silver platter. Of course it's a pipe dream.

Also Emelin signing for cheap to me is a sign that he's extremely confident in his abilities and feels he can help contribute to the success of this team. If he does that next year he'll be signed as a true young replacement for Hammer. Can you imagine how smart it will make not re-signing Hammer look when we have Emelin playing well and now have he cap room to acquire a true star? Every year there is the chance and to me Cole is still a wildcard move that could potentially pay off in spades. He hasn't played here so he isn't proven in peoples eyes... but it also remains to be seen what Cammy-Plek-Cole could do together :)

I haven't been this excited for a season in a really long time and the defense doesn't worry me:

Markov, Gorges, Subban, Gill, Emelin, Weber, Diaz, then there's Spacek who has shown at times he can be useful.

My guess: after camp maybe Diaz gets brought up.

All that cap space the habs have scares me, I am worried they're going to give up some serious assets for a rental or older player on the wrong side of his career. Not worried enough to care at all about them not bringing back Hamrlik, can't believe the backlash over that.

montreal 08-11-2011 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Reem (Post 35853761)
Does he need to go through waivers ?

Yes Weber would need to go through waivers to play in the AHL

neofury* 08-11-2011 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by UniverStalinGraduate (Post 35854069)
All that cap space the habs have scares me, I am worried they're going to give up some serious assets for a rental or older player on the wrong side of his career. Not worried enough to care at all about them not bringing back Hamrlik, can't believe the backlash over that.

Yeah but if it's somebody like Iginla I won't care even if he busts. I'll be happy they went all out and tried to shoot for the moon.

If it's some scrub I'll be major pissed.

JohnLennon 08-11-2011 04:49 PM

Some of you are nuts for even thinking Spacek will be the odd-man out behind players like Emelin, Weber or Diaz. Spacek is easily the best NHL defenseman right now out of the four of them, and is a solid depth player on any blueline.

My guess is that either Emelin or Weber are with Spacek on the third defensive pairing, (the other as a 7th D) and Diaz starts the season in Hamilton. Something like this:

Markov-Gorges
Gill-Subban
Spacek-Weber

Emelin

UniverStalinGraduate* 08-11-2011 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by neofury (Post 35854503)
Yeah but if it's somebody like Iginla I won't care even if he busts. I'll be happy they went all out and tried to shoot for the moon.

If it's some scrub I'll be major pissed.

Seriously? I'd be furious if they went after Iginla and he was a bust. Their "window" isn't now, or close to closing or anything. Their 2 best and most important players are very young, there's no need to go for it with a guy like Iginla. At all.

swimmer77 08-11-2011 05:43 PM

If they all stay reasonably healthy I think they'll be fine and Spacek will be given an opportunity at an important role to start. But if he shows signs of his play from last year then I'll be nervous. And if injuries hit early I'll be nervous.

At the beginning I'm guessing the odd man out will be Diaz. Or else Yemelin will shatter everyone's dreams and be the odd man out. Or Markov will be injured from an Yemelin hit in training camp and be out.

All I know is I'd feel more comfortable if Gauthier signed at least a depth d-man of some sort.

neofury* 08-11-2011 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by UniverStalinGraduate (Post 35854589)
Seriously? I'd be furious if they went after Iginla and he was a bust. Their "window" isn't now, or close to closing or anything. Their 2 best and most important players are very young, there's no need to go for it with a guy like Iginla. At all.

Not saying I'd give up Subban but if we had to trade a nice package to get Iginla for a cup run, I'd be happy we did it. I'd be furious with Iginla if he busted but not with management. It would likely be a pretty high % trade idea. Cammy and Iginla have played well together.

Myron Gaines* 08-11-2011 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by neofury (Post 35850171)
He's an actor from Jersey Shore, and yet you expect him to play hockey???

There's no acting in Jersey Shore, also Josh Gorges can be our 3rd Dman.


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