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sketch22 08-30-2011 08:44 PM

Bickell (Hawks) for Boyle
 
Just wanted to get a feel for what Rangers fan would think about this deal. I think it would work for the Rangers because Bickell is a physical left winger, had similar offensive production to Boyle last year, plays a solid defensive game, and most importantly only carries a cap hit of 540k for the next 2 seasons.

Most of the depth charts I have seen for the Rangers have Boyle on the third line LW spot, which is where Bickell played last year for the Hawks. So if you can replace Boyle production and have cap flexibility for any injuries or trades that come up would you guys do this? Would this be a good base for a deal?

Kershaw 08-30-2011 08:48 PM

We need Boyle for the same reason you need Boyle. A bottom 6er with size and can score.

Bickell is nice, but redundant for the Rangers IMO since he won't play on the top 2 lines.

JeffMangum 08-30-2011 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sketch22 (Post 36322535)
Just wanted to get a feel for what Rangers fan would think about this deal. I think it would work for the Rangers because Bickell is a physical left winger, had similar offensive production to Boyle last year, plays a solid defensive game, and most importantly only carries a cap hit of 540k for the next 2 seasons.

Most of the depth charts I have seen for the Rangers have Boyle on the third line LW spot, which is where Bickell played last year for the Hawks. So if you can replace Boyle production and have cap flexibility for any injuries or trades that come up would you guys do this? Would this be a good base for a deal?

Boyle will most likely be playing on the 4th line this season with Brandon Prust and Mike Rupp. I'm pretty sure that Fedotenko will get the third line wing spot -- to answer your question, no thanks. The Rangers already have a physically gifted winger who doesn't use the assets he was born with to succeed. Bickell is luxury depth, but Boyle is, all-around, a better player than Bickell, high cap hit or not. Moving Boyle for Bickell makes the Rangers a worse team now, and they won't weaken the team for $1.2M in cap space.

Machinehead 08-30-2011 08:48 PM

Get that outta here :rant:

Swept In Seven 08-30-2011 08:51 PM

no thanks

skroob** 08-30-2011 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sketch22 (Post 36322535)
Just wanted to get a feel for what Rangers fan would think about this deal. I think it would work for the Rangers because Bickell is a physical left winger, had similar offensive production to Boyle last year, plays a solid defensive game, and most importantly only carries a cap hit of 540k for the next 2 seasons.

Most of the depth charts I have seen for the Rangers have Boyle on the third line LW spot, which is where Bickell played last year for the Hawks. So if you can replace Boyle production and have cap flexibility for any injuries or trades that come up would you guys do this? Would this be a good base for a deal?

If this is such a sweet deal for us, what is in it for you? If Boyle and Bickell are so similar but Bickell is cheaper, then you do YOU want do make the trade?

sketch22 08-30-2011 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by skroob (Post 36323111)
If this is such a sweet deal for us, what is in it for you? If Boyle and Bickell are so similar but Bickell is cheaper, then you do YOU want do make the trade?

Because Bickell is a winger and Boyle can play center. Getting Boyle would push Bolland to the second line and Sharp to the wing. Boyle may be a lateral move for us production wise despite his higher cap hit, but the fact that he can play center and give us some depth at our weakest position makes this trade work for us. We can afford the higher cap hit and still have flexibility, because from the comments Bowman has made if Olesz doesn't earn a roster spot he will be in the AHL and thats another 3 mil of our cap. If he does earn a spot that will push someone else off our cap and still put us around 2 mil under the cap to start the season.

If you guys don't think its a fair offer thats fine by me. I was just wondering if something like that could work to the benefit of both teams.

ruckus* 08-30-2011 10:31 PM

Boyle might definitely be a guy to sell high on, but I'm not doing it for Bickell.

Boyle is one of several players that provides multiple things on the ice, and can play up if needed.

Our team is not making any significant changes going into the season, and they shouldn't.

It's put up or shut up time, and really this season is a measuring stick. Are we where we think we are or not? Let's find out.

We're not moving Boyle unless it's overpayment coming back right now.

Callahan4C 08-30-2011 10:39 PM

Boyle I think is a key part of this team...hopefully he can be on the rise and improve even more from last season

Silence Of The Plams 08-30-2011 11:04 PM

Nooo, noo Bickel We need more lemon pledge..

Claxton 08-30-2011 11:09 PM

Don't want to trade Boyle. You can tell he is a strong presence in the locker room, on top of the other attributes he brings. And one thing the Rangers are finally starting to do is building a strong team chemistry instead of dismantling the team every off-season.

RGY 08-31-2011 12:11 AM

Why the hell do we need Bickell? Boyle was great last year. Even if he doesnt repeat last season's success he is a big body who has improved his skating greatly. Not a chance this deal would ever happen.

LotsOfHags 08-31-2011 01:43 AM

If Boyle plays the way he did last year, definitley not. He is a heart and soul kind of guy and great for the locker room as well. Id rather have Boyle at C with the #4 Line rather then EC.

No thanks but not bad of an offer, saw plenty of nonsense over the summer from others.

Blackhawkswincup 08-31-2011 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sketch22 (Post 36322535)
Just wanted to get a feel for what Rangers fan would think about this deal. I think it would work for the Rangers because Bickell is a physical left winger, had similar offensive production to Boyle last year, plays a solid defensive game, and most importantly only carries a cap hit of 540k for the next 2 seasons.

Most of the depth charts I have seen for the Rangers have Boyle on the third line LW spot, which is where Bickell played last year for the Hawks. So if you can replace Boyle production and have cap flexibility for any injuries or trades that come up would you guys do this? Would this be a good base for a deal?

Bickell is physical when he wants to be and is not that great defensively. It wasn't until paired with Bolland who is our best defensive C that his flaw was hidden

Boyle makes no sense to Hawks as we have Toews/Sharp/Bolland as our 1-3 C's already and LW is area the Hawks are thin at already so moving Bickell would make it even worse

Rangers wouldn't do it because they are moving a guy in Boyle who is better defensive player , more physical and has as much upside/potential then Bickell

Also why would the Hawks break up what was a pretty impressive 3rd line in playoffs that showed alot of potential/chemistry

Bickell-Bolland-Frolik if they play like they did together in playoffs could be one of the best 3rd lines in NHL if not the best

CHGoalie27 08-31-2011 02:56 AM

No way in hell.

Inferno 08-31-2011 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatCrazyRangerFan (Post 36326141)
Nooo, noo Bickel We need more lemon pledge..

that was actually my facebook status yesterday :P

pld459666 08-31-2011 07:46 AM

I'd do it.

I think that Bickell uses his size more than Boyle does and can provide the same kind of offence.

Silence Of The Plams 08-31-2011 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Inferno272 (Post 36330067)
that was actually my facebook status yesterday :P

Lol! :laugh: every time I see consuela say it it makes me giggle.

MacTruck 08-31-2011 12:10 PM

I respectfully decline. Boyle is the perfect 3rd/4th line center. He's very versatile and can score goals when needed. Our bottom 6 is perhaps one of the best in the league and adding Bickell just adds to it, which, in theory, isnt a bad thing, but we need more top 6 wingers.

Moving Bickell for Boyle is merely just addition by subtraction at this point, and it doesn't really benefit either side enough where a trade would be warranted.

Value is close though, and it is much better than any thing else I've seen lately.

n8 08-31-2011 05:32 PM

no thanks. we have plenty of bottom 6 players on our roster and in our system to choose from. We don't need to send one for another. Excited to see what further improvements Boyle can make. If he had put in a second half effort like his first half, he would have been a mighty force. maybe even pushing close to 30 goals.

richardsequalscup* 08-31-2011 08:32 PM

I always feel late bloomers like Bickel are good in the playoffs when they hit 27-30. It just makes no sense because if Boyle puts up another 20 goal season, is excellent on the PK and defensively at even strength, the Rangers can get a better return.

Punxrocknyc19* 09-01-2011 12:01 AM

i counter with:


Rangers get John Scott


Hawks get Erik Christensen

pcakes87 09-01-2011 02:39 AM

Boyle has a lot of value to NYR. He and Prust are great together, and when you throw Rupp in the mix that is an awesome checking line.

RangerFan10 09-01-2011 03:05 AM

seriously? Bickell?

RangerFan10 09-01-2011 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 36329855)
Bickell is physical when he wants to be and is not that great defensively. It wasn't until paired with Bolland who is our best defensive C that his flaw was hidden

Boyle makes no sense to Hawks as we have Toews/Sharp/Bolland as our 1-3 C's already and LW is area the Hawks are thin at already so moving Bickell would make it even worse

Rangers wouldn't do it because they are moving a guy in Boyle who is better defensive player , more physical and has as much upside/potential then Bickell

Also why would the Hawks break up what was a pretty impressive 3rd line in playoffs that showed alot of potential/chemistry

Bickell-Bolland-Frolik if they play like they did together in playoffs could be one of the best 3rd lines in NHL if not the best

Boyle can play on the wing, and I believe it's left wing he prefers. I'd be surprised if he didn't make a full-time switch there soon in his career.


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