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Leslie Treff 09-11-2011 09:15 PM

Rangers Traverse City Tournament: Day 2
 
This evening, the Rangers beat Dallas, one of the better teams in Traverse City, by a score of 6-2. But to be honest, the game was much closer than the score–until the third period, that is. The Blueshirts jumped out to a 3-1 lead during the first period, with “veteran” netminder Scott Stajcer holding off [...]

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Zuccarello Awesome* 09-11-2011 09:52 PM

Wouldn't the rangers play for the championship regardless of the outcome on tuesday? At worst, we end up 2-1 and that's the best record Dallas could have if they win their game. We'd then have the tiebreaker (head to head). Correct me if I'm wrong.

Dagoon44 09-11-2011 10:24 PM

Samuel Noreau was bad vs St Louis? really I don't notice that at all Leslie can you please point out what was bad about his game that night?

Leslie Treff 09-12-2011 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Zuccarello Awesome (Post 36619883)
Wouldn't the rangers play for the championship regardless of the outcome on tuesday? At worst, we end up 2-1 and that's the best record Dallas could have if they win their game. We'd then have the tiebreaker (head to head). Correct me if I'm wrong.

It was my understanding that it was be decided by goals for and against, but I will check that out today.

Leslie Treff 09-12-2011 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dagoon44 (Post 36621271)
Samuel Noreau was bad vs St Louis? really I don't notice that at all Leslie can you please point out what was bad about his game that night?

Defensive play is the hardest thing to follow on television, because it often happens away from the puck. Several times, particularly in the first period, Noreau was just flat out beaten by the opposition shooter. He got much better in the second game.

Fitzy 09-12-2011 08:29 AM

Ceresnak and Noreau both have made McIlrath look quick on his feet so far.

DrSutton* 09-12-2011 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Leslie Treff (Post 36628569)
It was my understanding that it was be decided by goals for and against, but I will check that out today.

If goal differential is the deciding factor then the Rangers should have no problem getting into the final. Currently they are at a +7 to Dallas'+2 and the Blues'-2.

Anthony Mauro 09-12-2011 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Leslie Treff (Post 36628617)
Defensive play is the hardest thing to follow on television, because it often happens away from the puck. Several times, particularly in the first period, Noreau was just flat out beaten by the opposition shooter. He got much better in the second game.

You'd see that on TV

NYR Viper 09-12-2011 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SLU Hockey (Post 36628729)
Ceresnak and Noreau both have made McIlrath look quick on his feet so far.

That's to be expected with these real big younger players. That is the price many players who grow that much pay when they are younger. If Ceresnak or Noreau moved like a 6'0 defenseman they would have been taken much higher. It's all about projecting and getting them to train properly to increase their footspeed as they get older.

That is part of the reason McIlrath was taken so high. He may not be as fast or quick RIGHT NOW as Fowler or Gormely but he has more room to grow because footspeed and speed are things that normally come with time for a player of his size.

we want cup 09-12-2011 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SLU Hockey (Post 36628729)
Ceresnak and Noreau both have made McIlrath look quick on his feet so far.

I think McIlrath's skating is what has impressed me most about him.

Leslie Treff 09-12-2011 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Manhattan Blue (Post 36630093)
You'd see that on TV

It was not supposed to be one sentence. You can't see positioning away from the puck. And he was beaten several times by the shooter.

wolfgaze 09-12-2011 12:19 PM

I thought McIlrath had a much better/stronger Game 2.... He moved the puck efficiently in the defensive zone, broke up a handful of plays with his stickwork and blocked a few shots... Jumped up into the rush on 2 occasions and looked pretty comfortable.... I like that he engaged in that fight because he said the player was targeting/picking on some of the smaller guys on the team... Would like to see him throw the body around a bit more than we've seen....

Thordic 09-12-2011 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by we want cup (Post 36630349)
I think McIlrath's skating is what has impressed me most about him.

Yeah, he's not very agile but he's definitely not slow.

Trxjw 09-12-2011 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Leslie Treff (Post 36628617)
Defensive play is the hardest thing to follow on television, because it often happens away from the puck. Several times, particularly in the first period, Noreau was just flat out beaten by the opposition shooter. He got much better in the second game.

Honestly, I think the stuff that was shown on TV was enough to give him a poor grade in his first game. He was better defensively in the 2nd game in terms of his reads and his positioning, but his decision making with the puck will need to come a long way before I can consider him a viable prospect as a bottom pairing d-man.

eco's bones 09-12-2011 12:33 PM

Erixon and Parlett are the two d that have given both St. Louis and Dallas fits. Capable of great outlet passes--including stretch passes and also capable of carrying the mail and making plays crossing into the offensive end. McIlrath hasn't been bad at this either--he's just not on the same level. He and Noreau are relatively the same size with the same demeanor but McIlrath is the better skater and he's got a lot more poise with the puck. Noreau IMO has been a bit over his head in this tournament. At this point in his development he needs to keep things as simple as possible--use his body when he can and make safe plays. He's just not on the same level as Erixon, Parlett or McIlrath--in part due to level of experience and in part due to talent. He is at least 3-4 years away at best.

Inferno 09-12-2011 01:07 PM

mcilrath is sure as hell an intimidating physical presnce out there though...he beat the ever loving hell outta that stars player, and the kid hits very very hard...i think he's going to be a Ranger, but I do think it's going to take him a lot longer than ppl expect. im thinking he will be in a ranger uniform in 3-4 years, not the 1-2 most ppl seem to be penciling him in for.

The Amity Affliction 09-12-2011 01:21 PM

Love Erixon, Parlett, and McIlrath so far. I went on record in other threads stating the Erixon's ability to make good outlet passes and join the play from time to time has been underrated, but he's playing far better offensively than even I thought he would. Granted it's against other prospects, but Erixon has done this against men. I really think Erixon could make the team out of camp.

Parlett is a great skater and has is a great passer. Hearing Gernander talk about him putting passes through people not being an accident and then seeing the way he passes the puck and moves it with such poise is great.

McIlrath's skating has improved big time, and he looks better with the puck as well. It's amazing how nasty of a presence he is back there. Dallas played much differently without him back there compared to when he was back there.

Beacon 09-12-2011 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Inferno272 (Post 36635033)
mcilrath is sure as hell an intimidating physical presnce out there though...he beat the ever loving hell outta that stars player, and the kid hits very very hard...i think he's going to be a Ranger, but I do think it's going to take him a lot longer than ppl expect. im thinking he will be in a ranger uniform in 3-4 years, not the 1-2 most ppl seem to be penciling him in for.


Pretty sure McIlrath will get into at least some action next season, 2012-13. It may not be full time, but I think he'll get into a few game when injuries hit. By 2013-14, he'll be a full-time Ranger. Maybe out of camp, maybe by All Star break, but he will establish himself as a full time NHLer in 2 to 2.5 years.

Also, Parlett looked phenomenal so far. A man among boys. Granted that he is already 22, so it may just be his age, but I am really looking forward to seeing what he can do in preseason against older competition. His stock has definitely risen over the weekend. Nobody regarded him as a prospect 48 hours ago, and suddenly he's one of the guys to watch in preseason.

Inferno 09-12-2011 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RangerEsq (Post 36635461)
Pretty sure McIlrath will get into at least some action next season, 2012-13. It may not be full time, but I think he'll get into a few game when injuries hit. By 2013-14, he'll be a full-time Ranger. Maybe out of camp, maybe by All Star break, but he will establish himself as a full time NHLer in 2 to 2.5 years.

Also, Parlett looked phenomenal so far. A man among boys. Granted that he is already 22, so it may just be his age, but I am really looking forward to seeing what he can do in preseason against older competition. His stock has definitely risen over the weekend. Nobody regarded him as a prospect 48 hours ago, and suddenly he's one of the guys to watch in preseason.

i just dont see McIlrath having the positioning or mental game in 2 years to oust one of our better kids. i mean, you have to figure in 2 years Erixon, Staal, Sauer, McD, and Girardi will all be mainstays...and i'd be shocked if MDZ isn't so who is he going to oust? will be interesting to say the least.

NYR Viper 09-12-2011 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Inferno272 (Post 36635553)
i just dont see McIlrath having the positioning or mental game in 2 years to oust one of our better kids. i mean, you have to figure in 2 years Erixon, Staal, Sauer, McD, and Girardi will all be mainstays...and i'd be shocked if MDZ isn't so who is he going to oust? will be interesting to say the least.

I think the Rangers will be making trades in the next 1-2 years that may surprise some people. I don't foresee all 6 of those players still around.

Beacon 09-12-2011 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Inferno272 (Post 36635553)
i just dont see McIlrath having the positioning or mental game in 2 years to oust one of our better kids. i mean, you have to figure in 2 years Erixon, Staal, Sauer, McD, and Girardi will all be mainstays...and i'd be shocked if MDZ isn't so who is he going to oust? will be interesting to say the least.


If he's ready to play, they will move Girardi for a forward. If Erixon and Del Zotto are both ready, they can move McDonagh for a forward.

Offering Girardi, McDonagh and the better one of Zuccarello/Wolski can get us a hell of a wing.

McSauer 09-12-2011 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RangerEsq (Post 36635781)
If he's ready to play, they will move Girardi for a forward. If Erixon and Del Zotto are both ready, they can move McDonagh for a forward.

Offering Girardi, McDonagh and the better one of Zuccarello/Wolski can get us a hell of a wing.

McD will be manning the blue line for us for the next 15+ years; he ain't going nowhere...the kid is gonna be a star. I consider him the least likely to be moved after Staal.

Inferno 09-12-2011 02:08 PM

Defenseman>>>>>Wingers

im not looking to move any of our defenseman.in 3 years Girardi will be what...30? then might be the time to move him, as his style of play (blocking lots of shots) will make him more of a 34-35 year old type player due to deterioration.

Drewbackatu* 09-12-2011 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RangerEsq (Post 36635781)
If he's ready to play, they will move Girardi for a forward. If Erixon and Del Zotto are both ready, they can move McDonagh for a forward.

Offering Girardi, McDonagh and the better one of Zuccarello/Wolski can get us a hell of a wing.

Move McDonagh?? R u freakin kidding me! The guy is an absolute stud and nxt to Sauer, is our best "D man" positionally and from the standpoint of reading plays. He isn't going anywhere, trust me and neither is Sauer. He's also hands down the best skater amongst all our "D-men" and is the most physical as well.

BrooklynRangersFan 09-12-2011 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RangerEsq (Post 36635461)
Pretty sure McIlrath will get into at least some action next season, 2012-13. It may not be full time, but I think he'll get into a few game when injuries hit. By 2013-14, he'll be a full-time Ranger. Maybe out of camp, maybe by All Star break, but he will establish himself as a full time NHLer in 2 to 2.5 years.

Also, Parlett looked phenomenal so far. A man among boys. Granted that he is already 22, so it may just be his age, but I am really looking forward to seeing what he can do in preseason against older competition. His stock has definitely risen over the weekend. Nobody regarded him as a prospect 48 hours ago, and suddenly he's one of the guys to watch in preseason.

Ahem. SOME of us were voting for him in our prospect poll several slots ahead of where he eventually placed.



(Then again, I also was arguing to rank Bourque several slots below where he eventually placed, so maybe I should shut up.) :)


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