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SChan* 09-28-2011 07:57 AM

Can Jarnkrok win the SEL scoring?
 
He has had a brilliant start with Brynas this season. We have a new coach who belives in a more offensive hockey this time and the youngsters are bound to thrive. He is also playing with Silfverberg who is no slouch himself.

What do you fellow swedes think?

Henkka 09-28-2011 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by frostbite2 (Post 37193299)
He has had a brilliant start with Brynas this season. We have a new coach who belives in a more offensive hockey this time and the youngsters are bound to thrive. He is also playing with Silfverberg who is no slouch himself.

Is Andreas Dackell the another winger in that line?

cheerupmurray 09-28-2011 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Henkka (Post 37194327)
Is Andreas Dackell the another winger in that line?

They have played with Mats Lavander. A hard working forward that is good at creating space for other players.

Dackell play with Johan Larsson and Granström, a line that works well. I find it amazing that Dackell is still going strong. He is soon to be 39 and doesn't look like he is slowing down (well he is a slower skater now). His scoring pace is actually better nowadays than the seasons after he returned from NHL.

newfy 09-28-2011 09:52 AM

This would make me as a wings fan pretty happy.

He has apparently gained quite a bit of weight since being drafted and has 6 points in 5 games.

By all reports he has the talent to do it, and if he does he could potentially be in Detroit next season :naughty:

Howe Elbows 9 09-28-2011 10:23 AM

A few really good Elitserien seasons from recently drafted prospects...

Player Season GP G A Pts PIM League rank in scoring
Henrik Sedin 1999-00 50 9 38 47 22 8th (tied for sixth in points but had fewer goals)
Henrik Zetterberg 2000-01 47 15 31 46 24 6th (tied for fourth in points but had fewer goals)
Nicklas Bäckström 2006-07 45 12 28 40 46 22nd

I'd be really surprised if Järnkrok finishes top 10 in the league, even if it currently looks like he might lead Brynäs in scoring this year...

N Bahn Ahden 09-28-2011 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Competitive Violence (Post 37196875)
A few really good Elitserien seasons from recently drafted prospects...

Player Season GP G A Pts PIM League rank in scoring
Henrik Sedin 1999-00 50 9 38 47 22 8th (tied for sixth in points but had fewer goals)
Henrik Zetterberg 2000-01 47 15 31 46 24 6th (tied for fourth in points but had fewer goals)
Nicklas Bäckström 2006-07 45 12 28 40 46 22nd

I'd be really surprised if Järnkrok finishes top 10 in the league, even if it currently looks like he might lead Brynäs in scoring this year...

Rundblad was 3rd in league scoring last year with 50 points. If he can do it as a D, presumably a forward could end up that high as well.

thomast 09-28-2011 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by N Bahn Ahden (Post 37197047)
Rundblad was 3rd in league scoring last year with 50 points. If he can do it as a D, presumably a forward could end up that high as well.

That team was pretty stacked.

SChan* 09-28-2011 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by thomast (Post 37199457)
That team was pretty stacked.


on offense, no

RedMachine87 09-28-2011 01:32 PM

I've only watched Jarnkrok play in the WJCs, but from what I have seen he definitely has the talent to be a top offensive player in the SEL this season. I guess it comes down to how good his line mates are (they seem to be decent? I know Silfverberg is supposed to be good), if he has gotten stronger, stays healthy, and can maintain a high level of compete all year. If I remember correctly, last year he started off quite hot too before dropping off as the season progressed. But I don't expect that to happen to the same degree this year. Knock on wood.

**And I agree newfy, if he does really well this year he could possibly make the wings out of training camp next year. Either way I expect him to go directly from the SEL to the NHL, kid seems that skilled.

Nyquist and Jarnkrok...the new euro twins down the road?

bottomofthefoodchain 09-28-2011 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by frostbite2 (Post 37200469)
on offense, no

The two highest scorers in the league last season were both Skellefteå forwards.

ponder 09-28-2011 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bottomofthefoodchain (Post 37204211)
The two highest scorers in the league last season were both Skellefteå forwards.

They were tied for the league lead in goals as a team too.
Also, not only were the top 3 scorers in the league all Skelleftea players, they were WAY ahead of everyone else (Lindstrom, Lehtonen and Rundblad had 60, 58 and 50 points respectively, nobody else had more than 44). They were clearly very stacked on offense, no idea what that guy's talking about.

Mr Lahey* 09-28-2011 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by frostbite2 (Post 37200469)
on offense, no

...:help:

Metalownall 09-28-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ponder (Post 37205675)
They were tied for the league lead in goals as a team too.
Also, not only were the top 3 scorers in the league all Skelleftea players, they were WAY ahead of everyone else (Lindstrom, Lehtonen and Rundblad had 60, 58 and 50 points respectively, nobody else had more than 44). They were clearly very stacked on offense, no idea what that guy's talking about.

I'm not the biggest fan of Rundblad, but that doesn't change the fact that he had a very good season

SChan* 09-28-2011 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bottomofthefoodchain (Post 37204211)
The two highest scorers in the league last season were both Skellefteå forwards.

but nowhere to be found in the playoffs...

JAS 39 Gripen 09-28-2011 05:50 PM

This thread aint about the AIK wannabes (SAIK...) its about the man, the kid, the child, the legend....IRONHOOK!

SChan* 09-28-2011 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ponder (Post 37205675)
They were tied for the league lead in goals as a team too.
Also, not only were the top 3 scorers in the league all Skelleftea players, they were WAY ahead of everyone else (Lindstrom, Lehtonen and Rundblad had 60, 58 and 50 points respectively, nobody else had more than 44). They were clearly very stacked on offense, no idea what that guy's talking about.

did you watch the SEL playoffs? Rundblad was like the only player producing offensively. The forwards were terrible.

ponder 09-28-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by frostbite2 (Post 37214765)
did you watch the SEL playoffs? Rundblad was like the only player producing offensively. The forwards were terrible.

I didn't, but it's not a great argument regardless. Outside of Ovy everyone on the Caps were garbage offensively (and in general) in last years playoffs, but the team was still stacked offensively. When you have the top 3 scorers in the league, and lead the league in goals as a team, your team is stacked offensively, even if you play poorly in the playoffs. Also, Rundblad was 5th in playoff scoring on his own team, so I have trouble believing that he was the only one on his team producing offensively.

Pietraneglo222 09-28-2011 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JAS 39 Gripen (Post 37211927)
This thread aint about the AIK wannabes (SAIK...) its about the man, the kid, the child, the legend....IRONHOOK!

wow trolll...

JAS 39 Gripen 09-29-2011 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Immanuel (Post 37219877)
wow trolll...

well, do you deny it? :P

mikjo344 09-29-2011 03:57 AM

Mats Zuccarello
2008/2009 (rookie year): #18th 40 p in 35 games (1.14 ppg)
2009/2010: #1st 64 p in 55 games (1.16 ppg)

You don't have to be on a good team (although that probably helps) but your line has to be great. Järnkrok could be in the running for it, Brynäs has had a decent start.

Howe Elbows 9 09-29-2011 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mikjo344 (Post 37233425)
You don't have to be on a good team (although that probably helps) but your line has to be great. Järnkrok could be in the running for it, Brynäs has had a decent start.

This is very true - even for a defenceman - where the great seasons by Lindström and Lehtonen helped made Rundblad's fantastic season possible. Also, I want to mention that Zuccarello was 22 years old during his second Elitserien season.

Maybe my previous post makes me sound too negative about Järnkrok's season, but playing together with Silfverberg I think Calle has a good chance of scoring a couple of points more than Bäckström did in 2006-07 (40 points). Where would such a season rank in the league, though?

Lainlight 09-29-2011 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Immanuel (Post 37219877)
wow trolll...

...? Isnt it a FACT that AIK was founded way before SAIK, and that they have almost identical logos and color schemes?
Even the abbreviation: AIK vs SAIK...

MrJonas 09-29-2011 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lainlight (Post 37234349)
...? Isnt it a FACT that AIK was founded way before SAIK, and that they have almost identical logos and color schemes?
Even the abbreviation: AIK vs SAIK...

AIK fans tend to think that they have the sole right to that abbreviation, despite the fact that it's fairly common in sports. Modo was also called Modo AIK in the past (and SAIK means Skellefteå AIK, obviously).

SurMartin 09-29-2011 10:33 AM

The worlds best A.I.K, ("General Sports-Club") in hockey is located in Skellefteå. ;)
No really, JAS 39 Gripen comment was indeed a troll comment seeing how he changed the subject for something even more off-topic.
If you want to continue this discussion, do it in the Elitserien-thread (or go back to Flashback.)

Skellefteå was indeed stacked on offence last season. Rundblad wouldn't have had such a fantastic season without Lindstrom and Lehtonen, but you could turn it the other way around as well. Rundblad was often the machine that made them run.

I actually have a small bet on Silfverberg winning the SEL scoring. So no I don't think it's totally impossible for Jarnkrok to do it either even if it might be difficult. Brynäs seems underestimated this year. Why? The goalie-situation?

His Beardliness 09-29-2011 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MrJonas (Post 37238181)
AIK fans tend to think that they have the sole right to that abbreviation, despite the fact that it's fairly common in sports. Modo was also called Modo AIK in the past (and SAIK means Skellefteå AIK, obviously).

AIK is the original, so of course others ripped them of.

I'm don't think Järnkrok does it, but he'll definitely be in the top 10. I really hope Mårts picks him for the national team too.


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