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NYR Viper 09-29-2011 05:14 PM

Carkner
 
With the end of camp coming up, the Rangers are going to most likely have to waive 2 players from the this list:

Avery
Christensen
Weise
Mitchell

For me, I think Avery is too expensive to be an extra forward. If the Rangers could move Weise for a defenseman, say Carkner for example who can provide some veteran toughness would you pull the trigger and keep Mitchell and Christensen on the roster?

Even if you don't like Carkner, who are some players the Rangers could target instead of waiving a player like Weise or Mitchell or Christensen who may be claimed?

Carkner was the first player who came to mind who would be a solid #6/7 defenseman who could play on the bottom pairing and provide some toughness if need be.

Vitto79 09-29-2011 05:57 PM

Carkner would be my #1 target. Couple of things would make him expendable. Sens are rebuilding and they have Cowan and Rundblad looking to make the team. I think they should play both which would bump a Dman out

Also they got Konopka in the offseason so he can replace some of Carkners toughness.

Weise would likely be a good fit for the Sens. Good young player. Not sure if they would want EC and Avery is not really tradeable. Mitchell would clear waivers so its all good there.

Alvvays 09-29-2011 05:59 PM

Christensen for Carkner?

I'd do it in a snap -- replace a spare cog with a comewhat useful piece. Carkner could be a solid stopgap until one of DZ/Erixon step in.

Orr Nightmare 09-29-2011 06:27 PM

I would offer all 4 of those guys for Carkner.

NYR Viper 09-29-2011 06:27 PM

Yeah I would be okay with Weise going for Carkner and starting the season as:

Wolski-Richards-Gaborik
Dubinsky-Anisimov-Callahan
Rupp-Stepan-MZA
Fedotenko-Boyle-Prust
Mitchell, Christensen

Staal-Girardi
McDonagh-Sauer
Erixon/MDZ-Carkner/Eminger
Carkner/Eminger

Miller Time NYR 09-29-2011 06:39 PM

why would ottowa want weise? :huh:

NYR Viper 09-29-2011 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rangerdanger20 (Post 37256189)
why would ottowa want weise? :huh:

Because it gives them a young player who they can add to their lower lines who will play a North-South style and add grit.

I asked on their boards and they specifically asked for Weise. COnsidering Carkner most likely wont play with:

Gonchar
Karlsson
Cowan
Runblad
Philips
Wiercioch
Kuba
Lee
Carkner

They are going to go young. Take a flyer on a young hard-nosed player and give him a chance.

CaptainObvi0us 09-29-2011 06:54 PM

Mitchell, EC, Weise for Carkner if they'd accept, which they wouldn't. It's basically 3 AHLers for an NHL dman

donpaulo 09-29-2011 08:19 PM

As a Weise supporter I think the kid deserves a shot, either with NY or with another NHL team.

Carkner is the guy who gave Boogaard a nasty shot last season, probably a concussion too

of these guys listed

Karlsson
Cowan
Runblad
Wiercioch
Lee
Carkner

Cowan is big and could replace Carkner if he makes the team
Runblad hasn't overly impressed so far this camp
Wiecioch didn't strike me as ready for the NHL
Lee had a terrible first half, was waived and sent down to the AHL. Was called back up and played relatively well.

so of the 4 perhaps only Cowan makes the team this year so I don't think Ottawa is cutting bait on Carkner. Although if the HF fans want Weise I guess that works for both clubs.

Ave Maria 09-29-2011 09:04 PM

What type of D-man is he?

surf 09-29-2011 09:08 PM

The type that hurts people.
The type when we go into Philthy everyone gains 4 inches and 30 pounds.
Get him.




Quote:

Originally Posted by Rangers4tehwin95 (Post 37265015)
What type of D-man is he?


pld459666 09-29-2011 09:09 PM

Avery has played well enough to take a regular shift.


EC and Weise have not shown much this preseason and Mitchell is here just to push guys, No real shot to make the team.

If there are guys that are going to get waived it's between EC, Weise and Mitchell

Avery has earned his spot this preseason

Ave Maria 09-29-2011 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by surf (Post 37265245)
The type that hurts people.
The type when we go into Philthy everyone gains 4 inches and 30 pounds.
Get him.

lets get it done :handclap:

SML 09-29-2011 10:08 PM

Whats with all the love for Weise? I don't see him as an energy guy unless it's for the other team. Anyone who thinks it really doesn't matter if you win a fight as long as you show up is wrong. Didn't we learn with Voros? The guy sucks the momentum right out of your team and gives it to the opposition when he gets ragdolled like a freshman on his first day of high school night after night. Weise is a terrible fighter. If you're a terrible fighter, you probably shouldnt do it nearly as often as he seems to. As far as Carkner, I have a basic problem. The tough guy seems to be going the way of the dodo. The defenseman as your tough guy went out when they cut the rosters back to 18 skaters. You just cant afford to have a defenseman play that role unless youre going to dress 7 dmen every night. I'd just as soon give Bickel a chance. As long as he wasn't playing a ton, is it that much better having Carkner?

nyrleetch 09-29-2011 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pld459666 (Post 37265319)
Avery has played well enough to take a regular shift.


EC and Weise have not shown much this preseason and Mitchell is here just to push guys, No real shot to make the team.

If there are guys that are going to get waived it's between EC, Weise and Mitchell

Avery has earned his spot this preseason

Sums up my thoughts. Also odds of a team having an injury free year is slim to none. Avery gives you the best chance out of the 4 to step in and help you win.

darko 09-29-2011 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pld459666 (Post 37265319)
Avery has played well enough to take a regular shift.


EC and Weise have not shown much this preseason and Mitchell is here just to push guys, No real shot to make the team.

If there are guys that are going to get waived it's between EC, Weise and Mitchell

Avery has earned his spot this preseason



I also like the fact if Richards was to go down, EC can 'pinch-hit' on top line for a short period of time. We dont really have anyone else that could do that job.


Dont know if Sens would do Weise/3rd round draft pick for Carkner but I'd be all over that.

Zuccarello Awesome* 09-29-2011 11:07 PM

I've liked Carkner since the first game he played against us. He's tough as nails in the paint and from the small sample size I've seen (about 10-12 games) he can be a solid bottom pair guy without being a liability. I'd prefer him over Eminger on the bottom pair. Now if due to injuries we need someone to step up and play 16-18 minutes a game, then it's likely Eminger is a better fit but who knows, Carkner is still pretty young isn't he? I'd definitely take the chance if all it costs is one of our scraps or redundant prospects.

Also, this will be my last lineup post until the regular season ;)

I think by January we will see something like this:

Dubinsky Richards Gaborik
Boyle Anisimov Callahan
Fedotenko Stepan Zuccarello
Avery Rupp Prust
Christensen

Staal Sauer
Mcdonagh Girardi
Del Zotto Erixon
Eminger

Lundqvist
Biron

I think Christensen is the perfect spare forward because he can literally fill in on any line in any forward position and is capable of not looking out of place. I think Wolski will wear out his welcome with this team and be traded for some mediocre veteran defensive depth player before the new year. The only other question mark for me, even though Im a huge fan ( did the username give it away? ) is Zuccarello. He looked good in spurts during the flyers game but he really should've been more of a standout this preseason in order to secure a spot that certainly wasn't even necessarily his to lose. If Boyle and Fedotenko don't miss a beat, I wonder if there's really a good fit for him on this team as it's currently constructed. Gaborik, Callahan, Dubinsky take up 3 of the 4 top six wing spots. I think Boyle has earned the 4th and Wolski is still here and will be given every opportunity to fit somewhere in the top 6. Even on the third line, Zuccarello has competition with Avery, Boyle, Fedotenko, and perhaps later in the season, hagelin. Then next year kreider and Thomas likely add themselves to the mix and you cant rule out the slight possibility of Parise ending up here. I just have to wonder what Zuccarello's leash is like right now. If he doesn't start producing, I don't think he's an effective enough player in other areas to warrant an everyday roster spot.

All in all, I'd like to thank the hockey gods for letting us fill our biggest void and creating such optimism about the next few years. Let the Brad Richards era begin!!!!

Mkhizgilov 09-29-2011 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zuccarello Awesome (Post 37270207)
Staal Sauer
Mcdonagh Girardi
Del Zotto Erixon
Eminger

You have Sauer in Girardis spot?

Sens Mile 09-29-2011 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYR Boyler87 (Post 37253109)
With the end of camp coming up, the Rangers are going to most likely have to waive 2 players from the this list:

Avery
Christensen
Weise
Mitchell

For me, I think Avery is too expensive to be an extra forward. If the Rangers could move Weise for a defenseman, say Carkner for example who can provide some veteran toughness would you pull the trigger and keep Mitchell and Christensen on the roster?

Even if you don't like Carkner, who are some players the Rangers could target instead of waiving a player like Weise or Mitchell or Christensen who may be claimed?

Carkner was the first player who came to mind who would be a solid #6/7 defenseman who could play on the bottom pairing and provide some toughness if need be.

The Sens are definitely open for business when it comes to defenceman. Cowen has flat out earned his position on this team as one of our defenceman placing our total up to seven. We have Konopka as a fighter so Carkner's value to us is a little bit lower.

He is a sentimental favorite to many Sens fans so don't expect them to agree Carkner can be moved. I am not sure of what Weise brings to the team but to facilitate a trade, you need to add a pick, most likely a 4th. Only have 8 picks right now for next years draft, if we move Carkner at this point in the season, we need a pick if we move him

Sens Mile 09-29-2011 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYR Boyler87 (Post 37256345)
Because it gives them a young player who they can add to their lower lines who will play a North-South style and add grit.

I asked on their boards and they specifically asked for Weise. COnsidering Carkner most likely wont play with:

Gonchar
Karlsson
Cowan
Runblad
Philips
Wiercioch
Kuba
Lee
Carkner

They are going to go young. Take a flyer on a young hard-nosed player and give him a chance.

We have Greening, Condra, and Foligno among others. We really have no need for a player like that. If you guys need Carkner, a draft pick is coming back. We need some spots filled in Bingo as well on defence so maybe something like this would work for me.

To Ottawa: Stu Bickel and a 3rd/4th round pick in 2012

To New York: Carkner

howztheglass 09-30-2011 07:14 AM

The only problem I have with Carkner(who I do think would become Ranger fan favorite)is that he plays defense.I'm not saying he's a bad D-man but the problem is that if(and when)he drops his gloves he's gone for at least 5 minutes leaving the team with only 5 D-man to play.Now if he also gets that a 10 minute misconduct we have to play the whole period down a D-man.It's always easier to have your tough guy be a winger then a defenseman.

Lion Hound 09-30-2011 07:38 AM

Im a big fan of Carkner. Rangers don't have a Carkner type of player on the roster. In the system they do with McIlrath and Noreau, but on the roster they do not.

If he could be had for Christensen I would do it. And I am one of Christensens only fans here. But...for that added snarl, yep id give up the shootout guy in a minute. Especially if the midget is going to stick around for a while.

Last year there was a thread on Carkner for Gilroy swap but Sens fans I believe were appauled by it. They seem to love the guy there, so is Carkner actually on the block? Was there a link or something that said he's on the outs this season?

Sens Mile 09-30-2011 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lion Hound (Post 37276331)
Im a big fan of Carkner. Rangers don't have a Carkner type of player obn the roster. In the system they do with McIlratha nd Noreau, but on the roster they do not.

If he could be had for Christensen I would do it. And I am one of Christensens only fans here. But...for that added snarl, yep id give up the shootout guy in a minute. Especially if the midget is going to stick around for a while.

Last year there was a thread on Carkner for Gilroy swap but Sens fans I believe were appauled by it. They seem to love the guy there, so is Carkner actually on the block? Was there a link or something that said he's on the outs this season?

Its more of a logical thought that he will be moved. 8 Defenceman that could arguably crack our blue line with 5 of them more valuale to the organization than Carkner. We cannot move Gonchar or Kuba so this may be one of our few options. Additionally he is UFA at the end of the year and considering how we are looking to add quite a few more prospects at the draft (Or assets to mov up) Carkner is logical to be traded at some point this season

Lion Hound 09-30-2011 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rangers4tehwin95 (Post 37265015)
What type of D-man is he?

He's the type that you have to tell "the little discs in the urinals are not breath mints, please don't eat them!"

Tony D63 09-30-2011 08:41 AM

I want Carkner. Mitchell, Weise, and a third.


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