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Originally Posted by sovereign_funk
I have a different view than that on the Flyers drafts. I look at the wasted opportunity to take some good players. In addition, I don't consider players like Colin Forbes, Paul Healey, or Boulerice NHL calibre players they were terrible wastes of picks. In addition, Colin Shields is a good college scorer, but if he is another Jim Montgomery we will be lucky. Lefebvre had 4 goals and 12 assists in 62 games for the Scranton WB Penguins, hardly a good pick. Drozdetsky will never come over to the US to even play for the Phantoms he isn't big or tough enough, how long does it take for this man to develop. Selivanov didn't have a very long career in the NHL. It lasted from 95-00. Niinimaa was not a great pick at #36 of 1993 when they could have taken Brendan Morrison #39, Bryan McCabe #40, or even Kevin Weekes #41. Eric Daze was taken at #90 after Prospal #71. In 1994, they took Artem Anisimov #62, while Frederick Modin #64, Sheldon Souray #71, Chris Drury #72, and Milan Hejduk #87 were available. Marty Turco was taken #124 after our all-star picks of
Artem Anisimov #62, Adam Magarrell #88, and Sebastien Vallee #101. In 1996, Chester Gallant went right before Oleg Kvasha. Roman Malov #187 preceded Tomas Kaberle 204#. In 1997, Kris Mallette 62# preceded Maxim Afinogenov #69. Also Ladislav Nagy 177# was picked after stellar picks of Jean-Marc Pelletier #30, Pat Kavanagh #50, Kris Mallette #62, Mikhail Chernov #103, Jordon Flodell #158, and Todd Fedoruk 164#. In 1998, Brad Richards #64 went after Jason Beckett #42 and Ian Forbes #51. Pavel Datsyuk went #171 after Jean - Philippe Morin #109, Francis Belanger #124, and Garrett Prosofsky #139. Michael Ryder #216 was drafted after Cam Ondrik #175, and Tomas Divisek #195. In 1999 Martin Havlat was drafted 26# after the Flyers took Maxim Ouellet with #22. Henrik Zetterberg #210 went after future HOFs Jeff Feniak #119, Konstantin Rudenko #160 ,Pavel Kasparik #200, Vaclav Pletka #208. In 2000, the Flyers picked Justin Williams. In 2003-2004, he finished with an amazing 11 goals in 76 games, not worthy of a #28 pick. John Michael Liles #159 went after Justin and had one fewer goal as a dman. I truly don't put to much stock into the Hockey News as a reliable source for hockey information anymore. Now I know that this is after the fact; however, the Flyers scouting department is awful to be missing on this many players. Other teams made mistakes and passed on the players as well, but the Flyers track record is second rate. Hammerstrom got one good pick for us and he is playing in Colorado.

You think that every pick is supposed to be an all-star ??? Get a clue.

All the players that you mentioned taken 90 or above were passed over by EVERY team in the NHL MULTIPLE times. Meaning even the teams that ended up selecting them didn't think they were going to be great hockey players.

For comparisons sake I'll use Detroit's drafting record over the same period of time.

No first
Janne Niinimaa (36th) - great pick
Vinny Prospal (71st) - great pick
Paul Healey (192nd) - nice late round pick

Anders Eriksson (22) - borderline NHL defenseman

No first or second
Alexander Selivanov (140) - very good 6th round pick 120+ goals
Colin Forbes (166) - 300+ games for a 7th round pick
Johan Hedberg (218) NHL goalie selected in 9th round

Mathieu Dandenault (49) - nice pick, 5/6 defenseman
Tomas Holmstrom (257) - great pick, 3rd line player PP sepcialist

Brian Boucher (22) - solid pick
Radovan Somik (100) - 3rd/4th line player in round 4
Dimitri Tertyshny (132) - good young defenseman, died tragically

Maxim Kuznetsov (26) - borderline NHL defenseman

Dainuz Zubrus (15) - one of the best picks in a bad first round
Jesse Boulerice (133) - NHL goon

had only 6 picks

Jesse Wallin (26) - border line NHL defenseman

No first
Todd Fedoruk (164) - Solid fighter and 4th line player

No first round pick
No players worth anything

Simon Gagne (22) - great late first pick
Antero Niittymaki (168) - goalie of the future in round 6
Bruno St. Jaques (253) - 5/6 NHL defenseman selected in round 9

Jiri Fischer (25) - nice pick 3/4 defenseman
Pavel Datsyuk (171) - great pick 1/2 line center

Maxime Ouellet (22) - future #1 goalie
Only 4 more picks all late in the draft

No first, second or third round picks
Henrik Zetterberg (210) - great pick, 2nd line center

Justin Williams (28) - very good late first round pick
Alexander Drozdetsky (94) - good prospect playing in Russia
Roman Cechmanek (171) - #1 goalie selected in round 6
Colin Shields (195) - top college scorer
Guillaume Lefebvre (227) - good prospect helped bring Amonte

Niklas Kronwall (29) - prospect/depth defenseman

Jeff Woywitka (27) - top defensive prospect
Patrick Sharp (95) - late 3rd round pick already in the NHL
Roman Malek (158) - top Euro goalie
Dennis Seidenberg (172) - good young defenseman

No first round pick
No NHL players as of yet.

Joni Pitkanen (4) - NHL's best rookie defenseman

No NHL players as of yet.

Other good prospects
Rosario Ruggeri (105 - 2002)
Nikita korovkin (192 - 2002)
Jeff Carter (11-2003)
Mike Richards (24 - 2003)
Colin Fraser (69 - 2003)
Stefan Ruzicka (81- 2003)
Alex Picard (85 - 2003)

Tomas Kopecky (38 - 2000)
Igor Grigorenko (62 - 2001)
Jiri Hudler (58 - 2002)
Tomas Fleishmann (63 - 2002)
Jimmy Howard (64 - 2003)

Also during this time we signed two undrafted free-agents

1997 - Andy Delmore
1999 - Ruslan Fedotenko
2001 - Jim Vandermeer

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