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04-29-2004, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by True Blue
He chokes and he does not come up with the big play.

"can anyone who thinks Shockey is not an "elite" player because he doesn't make the "big" catch when it really matters please explain what you would call the TD against Philly?"

Can't bring up the Philly catch w/o bringing up the TD drop in the playoff game against SF. You cannot also counter the argument that he dropped more passes in the endzone that he caught.

Sorry, I have just seen A LOT of dropped passes by him. Lots of first downs that were lost and more than enough TD's.
Are you freegin crazy? First off, Giants aren't even playing in the SF game if not for Shockey's big catch the week before against Philly. And second, you can't say that a play when the score is a difference of over 20 points is a big play. That is ridiculous.

That's like if the Yanks lose 9-8 and Jeter had struck out when they were up 8-0 in the 4th inning, and you say that he doesn't come up with the big hits because hey, if he got a hit there maybe they woulda scored 9 runs instead of 8 and the game would be tied. That doesn't make any sense.

That's like Simms throwing an interception when the Giants are down 31-0 in the 4th quarter and you saying that was why they lost and Simms can't make the big plays.

AND, you still didn't answer the question. You still say he can't make the big play, so what do you call the Philly play? Don't answer with something about SF or something about a ratio of dropped balls to td's that you can't even prove....if he doesn't come up with the big play then what do you call Philly?

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