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Norris Trophy voting: 78-present

In an effort to get a little perspective on some modern defensemen, I've crunched some numbers from the NHL Awards and All-Star voting thread and come up with an alphabetical list of all defensemen from 78 to present who finished "high" in the Norris trophy voting. I wanted to construct something resembling a top-10 list by season based on Norris voting, but changes in voting format (beginning in 1995) and other concerns led me to scrap that goal and come up with a new standard. Here it is:

The list contains all defensemen from 78 to present who achieved at least one first place vote or two top-3 votes in any given year. The reasoning for this standard follows:

- I wanted something approximating a measure of top-10 finishes by year, and wasn't terribly interested in a top-20. With the exception of the 80-81 outlier (in which defensemen down to 19th place met the standard) and 82-83 (in which only the top-5 is available), the standard I use yields results down as low as 13th in a few seasons and as shallow as 6th in others, but yields something close to a top-10 for most seasons.

- I wanted to weed out homer votes by local sportswriters. Including defensemen who received only a single 3rd place vote in the rankings, for example, would likely skew the results badly in favor of players from large markets.

- the ordering of defensemen who each received only one vote could cause great distortions for what I think are obvious reasons. I don't want to assign number values to players' relative performance based on the opinion of just one sportswriter in one year.

- the introduction of 4th and 5th place Norris voting in 95-96 made it impossible to reconcile the periods before and after that time by comparing raw points. Inclusion of 4th and 5th place voting in the standard is also impossible because those votes did not exist before 95-96.

One more note: I have not included breakdowns for modern defensemen drafted in the first two rounds of ATD #9. These players have rather static values, and aren't of huge interest to me, though I'd welcome an addition to these stats if someone feels like breaking down all of the top-10 finishes by guys like Chelios, MacInnis, Leetch, Lidstrom, et al. Ok, here's the data, sorted alphabetically by player name and chronologically by year:

Quote:
Aucoin

01-02: 8th
03-04: 5th

Beck

78-79: 7th
81-82: 7th
83-84: 6th

Blake

97-98: 1st
99-00: 3rd
00-01: 4th
01-02: 3rd
02-03: 5th
03-04: 8th

Boucher

06-07: 12th

Bourque

79-80: 4th
80-81: 4th
81-82: 2nd
82-83: 3rd
83-84: 3rd
84-85: 2nd
85-86: 4th
86-87: 1st
87-88: 1st
88-89: 4th
89-90: 1st
90-91: 1st
91-92: 2nd
92-93: 2nd
93-94: 1st
94-95: 3rd
95-96: 2nd
96-97: 8th
97-98: 7th
98-99: 3rd
99-00: 7th
00-01: 2nd

Bouwemeester

06-07: 11th

Boyle

06-07: 4th

Campbell

06-07: 10th

Carlyle

80-81: 1st
81-82: 13th
84-85: 7th

Cavallini

89-90: 8th

Chara

02-03: 7th
03-04: 2nd
05-06: 4th
07-08: 2nd/3rd* (pending 07-08 voting)

Chelios

87-88: 6th
88-89: 1st
90-91: 3rd
91-92: 6th
92-93: 1st
93-94: 6th
94-95: 2nd
95-96: 1st
96-97: 4th
99-00: 6th
01-02: 2nd

Coffey

81-82: 3rd
82-83: 5th
83-84: 2nd
84-85: 1st
85-86: 1st
86-87: 5th
87-88: 7th
88-89: 2nd
89-90: 4th
90-91: 5th
92-93: 9th
94-95: 1st
95-96: 5th

Desjardins

98-99: 5th
99-00: 4th
00-01: 10th

Duchesne

88-89: 5th
92-93: 7th

Engblom

80-81: 6th
81-82: 6th

Gonchar

99-00: 5th
00-01: 6th
01-02: 4th
02-03: 4th
03-04: 9th
06-07: 7th

Green

86-87: 9th

Greschner

80-81: 14th

Hajt

80-81: 15th

Hamrlik

95-96: 7th

Hartsburg

81-82: 4th

D. Hatcher

98-99: 7th
02-03: 3rd

K. Hatcher

90-91: 6th
91-92: 7th
92-93: 4th

Housley

84-85: 5th
88-89: 9th
89-90: 5th
91-92: 3rd
92-93: 5th
98-99: 10th

Howe

79-80: 5th
80-81: 11th
82-83: 2nd
84-85: 6th
85-86: 2nd
86-87: 2nd
87-88: 9th

Iafrate

89-90: 6th
92-93: 6th

Jovanovski

01-02: 6th
02-03: 6th

Konstantinov

95-96: 4th
96-97: 2nd

Langevin

80-81: 13th

Langway

80-81: 5th
81-82: 9th
82-83: 1st
83-84: 1st
84-85: 3rd
85-86: 5th
86-87: 11th

Larson

80-81: 19th

Leetch

88-89: 11th
90-91: 4th
91-92: 1st
93-94: 5th
95-96: 3rd
96-97: 1st
98-99: 8th
00-01: 5th
03-04: 11th

Lidstrom

95-96: 6th
96-97: 6th
97-98: 2nd
98-99: 2nd
99-00: 2nd
00-01: 1st
01-02: 1st
02-03: 1st
03-04: 6th
05-06: 1st
06-07: 1st
07-08: 1st* (pending 07-08 voting)

Lowe

81-82: 10th
87-88: 5th
88-89: 8th

MacInnis

86-87: 6th
88-89: 3rd
89-90: 2nd
90-91: 2nd
93-94: 3rd
97-98: 8th
98-99: 1st
99-00: 8th
00-01: 7th
02-03: 2nd

Marois

86-87: 8th

McCabe

03-04: 4th
05-06: 9th

McCarthy

80-81: 17th

McCrimmon

87-88: 4th
88-89: 6th

Morrow

81-82: 12th

Murphy

80-81: 7th
86-87: 3rd
91-92: 5th
92-93: 3rd
94-95: 4th
97-98: 6th
98-99: 11th

Niedermayer

97-98: 5th
98-99: 12th
03-04: 1st
05-06: 2nd
06-07: 2nd

Numminen

01-02: 7th

Olausson

98-99: 9th

Ozolinsh

96-97: 3rd

Patrick

87-88: 8th
90-91: 8th

Persson

80-81: 16th

Phaneuf

05-06: 8th
06-07: 6th
07-08: 2nd/3rd* (pending 07-08 voting)

Pronger

97-98: 3rd
98-99: 4th
99-00: 1st
01-02: 5th
03-04: 3rd
05-06: 7th
06-07: 3rd

Rafalski

00-01: 9th

Ramage

80-81: 8th

Ramsey

89-90: 7th

Redden

02-03: 9th
03-04: 10th
05-06: 5th

Reinhart

88-89: 12th

Samuellson

86-87: 10th

Schneider

03-04: 7th
05-06: 6th

Schoenfeld

79-80: 3rd
80-81: 12th

Souray

06-07: 8th

Stackhouse

78-79: 9th

Stevens

84-85: 5th
86-87: 7th
87-88: 2nd
88-89: 10th
90-91: 7th
91-92: 4th
93-94: 2nd
96-97: 5th
97-98: 4th
98-99: 6th
00-01: 3rd

Suter

87-88: 3rd
88-89: 7th
92-93: 8th

Sydor

96-97: 7th

Timonen

06-07: 5th

Van Boxmeer

81-82: 11th
80-81: 18th

Visnovsky

05-06: 10th

Wilson

81-82: 1st
82-83: 4th
84-85: 4th
89-90: 3rd

Zubov

93-94: 4th
99-00: 9th
00-01: 8th
02-03: 8th
05-06: 3rd
06-07: 9th
My initial impressions from the data are that it makes Gonchar look shockingly good and Carlyle shockingly bad, although the fact that Carlyle wasn't particularly special outside of his Norris season was something I already knew. Gonchar's six top-10 Norris appearances does surprise me a bit, though. Other impressions:

- Brad McCrimmon doesn't make a lot of appearances among the Norris leaders, which also does not surprise me.

- Adam Foote makes zero appearances on this list. I didn't forget him; he simply never met the standard. Considering how much love defensive defensemen actually get in the Norris voting, one has to wonder why the sportswriters never considered Foote worthy of more than a single top-3 vote (he did get a single 3rd place vote in 98-99 and again in 02-03).

- the list is a good reminder of why Phil Housley and Larry Murphy get drafted relatively high.

- the fact that, in addition to his Norris and all-star years, Rod Langway also has two 5th place Norris finishes (essentially 3rd-team all-star years) and two other years on the edge of the top-10 may do something to resuscitate his draft stock.

- the numbers remind us that Ken Morrow was every bit as un-special as I recall him being and that Chris Pronger is, actually, you know...really good.

- I am reminded of just how short Scott Niedermayer's peak really was and of the strange gap between his first really good season and his Norris Trophy six years later.

*added Bourque, Coffey, Stevens, MacInnis, Chelios, Leetch, Lidstrom - so now it's basically complete*


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