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07-06-2008, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by nyr7andcounting View Post
Well I guess that's one of the main reasons. A lot of players do great things off the ice. Most teams have one or 2 players who are great leaders and involved in the community. I don't think that means their number should be retired.

And looking at the hockey side of things, he just wasn't a "great" player and he wasn't a career Ranger (or close to it). And I think a player should have to be at least one of those 2 things to have their number retired by a team.

Graves only played 2/3 of his career with the Rangers. He never scored 80 points in a season, and never averaged a point per game in any season.

He was a great complementary player. He scored a lot of goals playing with Messier and Leetch- a lot of players could have scored those goals. And yes he's a great guy off the ice. I love the guy but he's just not good enough to have a retired number in my opinion.
Absolutely agree.

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