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08-15-2008, 02:13 PM
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As ever, you need to contextualize that rationale a bit more. The thing about receivers is that a very good one alters the defense, where as a good or mediocre one won't draw coverage alterations. Similar to the impact of Deion Sanders on a defense...if you have him on one side it frees up the safety to shade the other side of the D and make it tougher to throw everywhere on the field.
Not to mention the more simple point that in the one and done format of the SB...it's not the best indicator of things. Play last years game 10 times and the Pats win 9 of 'em. Same goes for the first Pats SB win.
Giants...Plaxico ain't too bad, especially in the red zone.
Colts...pretty good WR corps, btw.
Steelers...pretty good receivers, if under appreciated.
But, then again, one can just look at the vast difference in scary factor the Eagles offense had when they had TO lining up for them.
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The McNabb hate is a perfect example of what we are talking about in the Phillies thread. Career 59% Comp percentage, 25,400 yards, 171 TD, only 79 INT, almost 3,000 yards and 24 TD rushing, and only 37 fumbles lost in 108 regular season games over 9 seasons.
He's had a borderline Hall of Fame career, but many Eagles fans can't wait to see his back. It'll be quite a while before the Eagles have a QB as talented as McNabb again.
I really dont think anyone wants this to turn into the McNabb debate that last year's eagles thread became but I would be glad to do it again if you guys want....I have all the backup to my arguments saved in files on my old computer from years of having this debate with people but here is high level response to hopefully most of what everyone was saying
1) As I mentioned before, his completion % has been 60% once, maybe twice in his career, not very good at all for a QB in a dink and dunk offense most of his career
2) He has only had one "elite" receiver his career here, however, people I think make a HUGE deal out of some of the others guys he has had on this team. Brown and Curtis are not bad, after all, they both put up similar numbers to Deion Branch did on the Patriots. Thrash was trash but Johnson and Small were both 1000 yard receivers before they came here and Pinkston serves a purpose when you have a #1 on the other side. Also, when debating receivers, you cant discount Westbrook who is a the type of weapon most of these other teams that have won would have wished for
3) I have the stats to prove that McNabb has beat up on all the crappy teams over his whole career and against the tougher teams is below .500, I will post them again if needed but you guys can go back and look through last year's thread to see them. Taking the TO year as an example, we beat 1 or 2 teams with winning records and everyone in our division was beyond dreadful that year. Take a look at his stats in those NFC championships and the Superbowl (boy did he choke in that one)
4) As for the receiver comment, I will give everyone Indy, although I dont remember Harrison being very good in those playoffs. They won with the running game if I remember correctly. NE, other than last year where they didnt win, they have had mediocre at best wide receivers other than Branch who is good, not great.
5) The receivers looked fine when Garcia was the QB
6) McNabb in many seasons, other than last year where he was recovering from injury would start off and have 4-5 huge games and then be average the rest of the season, not to mention how many interceptions at inoportune times he throws and then goes walking off the field laughing...
7) Any player that has the same weaknesses in his game 10 years into his career that he had the first couple seasons is not great...he should stop spending his entire offseason trying to make himself look like a linebacker and just take snaps and throw the ball through a tire.
Reid is a big factor in the eagles as well and is arguably a bigger reason than McNabb for their inconsistentcy and failures in the big games, however, like it or not, the QB is the "leader" of the team and is the one that is supposed to make his team better. Yes he needs help but the Eagles have had plenty of support around him, absent an elite receiver which is not needed to win a SB, and what do they have to show for it in rings??? NONE
Not to mention I will completely throw out statistical analysis and just argue that regardless of McNabb's physical ability, he doesnt have the mental make up to be a champion....up until last year he was still crying over the draft, black on black crime, and now the guy recently was crying that he wished he had TO back and was able to make it work.......The effect Garcia had on the personality of this team, regardless of the difference in play style was clear cut evidence that this team was crying out for a leader....People underrate the effect TO had on the team outside of giving McNabb a better target to throw to.
To sum it up in one sentence, McNabb need an ELITE receiver to make him come even close to being able to win a championship, great QBs make everyone around them better and make good players great (Favre, Brady, etc.). McNabb is simply a good QB (who has nothing but slop to compare to him in recent franchise history at his position so he by default may be the best in the franchise's history) but he is not great. Until he proves otherwise, my position on him is right.
Hey, I will gladly sit here and have this debate ad nauseum but it is going to serously annoy anyone that doesnt want to get involved, it is going to bog down large amounts of the thread and it will never end. I suggest we just leave it alone...but I will still watch every game this year and watch him with a microscope if anyone wants to do this at any point
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