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01-06-2009, 08:32 AM
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Can you post the numbers for post-lockout (Top 20 from 05-06 to 08-09)

It's really fascinating to see Howe top 10 in AdjEV+/- /Season

Selšnne does really well here, I think he got somewhat underrated last year, I can't seem to find stats for the Olympics but he has scored 20 goals in 25 games, so he must be pretty hign on the scoring list there.

Top 20 in Adjusted Even-strength Plus-Minus, 2006-2008

Rk Player Years SFrac ESGF/G ESGA/G R-ON R-OFF XEV+/- EV+/- AdjEV+/- /S
1 Joe Thornton 2006-2008 2.99 1.12 0.65 1.72 0.83 -25 114 139 47
2 Dany Heatley 2006-2008 2.87 1.25 0.71 1.76 1.08 10 127 117 41
3 Pavel Datsyuk 2006-2008 2.88 1.13 0.54 2.09 1.18 25 140 115 40
4 Jaromir Jagr 2006-2008 3.00 1.09 0.67 1.63 0.94 -10 104 113 38
5 Alexander Ovechkin 2006-2008 2.99 1.18 0.94 1.25 0.75 -55 59 112 37
6 Sidney Crosby 2006-2008 2.60 1.09 0.83 1.32 0.78 -42 55 98 38
7 Teemu Selanne 2006-2008 2.29 0.97 0.50 1.94 0.95 -6 87 94 41
8 Nicklas Lidstrom 2006-2008 2.88 1.21 0.66 1.82 1.24 37 129 93 32
9 Jason Spezza 2006-2008 2.57 1.21 0.74 1.64 1.11 12 99 87 34
10 Tom Preissing 2006-2008 2.82 0.94 0.65 1.46 0.91 -14 68 83 29
11 Jonathan Cheechoo 2006-2008 2.77 0.88 0.56 1.58 0.95 -8 73 82 30
12 Simon Gagne 2006-2008 2.11 0.98 0.75 1.32 0.69 -41 40 82 39
13 Ryan Getzlaf 2006-2008 2.63 0.76 0.41 1.87 0.99 -4 75 81 31
14 Henrik Zetterberg 2006-2008 2.62 1.08 0.56 1.92 1.27 31 111 81 31
15 Daniel Alfredsson 2006-2008 2.73 1.14 0.71 1.61 1.15 20 97 78 29
16 Mike Knuble 2006-2008 2.78 0.87 0.69 1.26 0.77 -37 41 76 27
17 Marek Malik 2006-2008 2.26 0.97 0.56 1.74 1.02 2 77 75 33
18 Jason Arnott 2006-2008 2.78 0.99 0.66 1.50 1.05 3 77 71 26
19 Nathan Horton 2006-2008 2.87 0.93 0.69 1.35 0.92 -13 57 70 24
20 Jarome Iginla 2006-2008 2.85 0.99 0.70 1.40 0.98 -4 66 70 25

Here are the numbers for the 3 seasons from 2006-2008. They don't include the current season.
  • There are a number of linemates on this list, so some of these players may be on this list because of their linemates as much as their own play.
  • Peter Forsberg just missed the list despite the fact that he only played half the games in these three seasons, and Gagne and Knuble may be on the list in part because of him (although Gagne had very good numbers before 2006 also.)
  • Malik and Preissing rank very well by this method, as they do by raw plus-minus. While they may be underrated, I believe that both played a lot of minutes with their team's top offensive players, Preissing with the Heatley-Spezza-Alfredsson line in Ottawa and Malik with the Jagr line in New York, and this inflated their numbers.
  • This method ranks Ovechkin and Crosby more favorably than raw plus-minus, as both had relatively weak teammates over the past 3 years.
  • The list is fairly forward-heavy, and few defensemen have done well in these numbers in the past few years. Lidstrom stands out here as the only top defenseman to make the list.

I should also add that exact even-strength and shorthanded on-ice numbers are available for post-lockout season, but I haven't included them, but have instead estimated them as I have for all years 1968-2008. As a result, there are probably more accurate methods of player valuation available in recent years. The advantage of my method is that it is directly comparable over the last 40 years.

Gordie Howe does score very well. When you consider that those were his age 39-42 and age 51 seasons, I have little doubt that if adjusted plus-minus numbers were available for his whole career he would be at or very near the top of the list.

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