HF ratings a joke again.
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09-03-2004, 03:27 AM
Join Date: Mar 2004
I posted my comments on the other HF Rankings thread, but I'll repost here.
First off, I'm ecstatic to see HF do an update for us. With all the negativity brewing out here on the boards, it's definitely encouraging. And this new system, I think anyways, has tremendous potential to help people from team to team quickly get a handle on a prospect in ways that the old one did not. Kudos all around.
That being said, most of my problems with the new rankings have to do with whomever assigning the numbers either having some very radical opinions, or not taking full advantage of the obviously more versatile new ranking system.
There are numerous examples, some of which are cited here in the thread, but I'll repeat a few that are particularly puzzling:
1) Jessiman is a classic boom/bust pick. He's either going to become a major NHL force, or he's probably not even going to have an NHL career. A logical rating for him would be something like 8.5C, which describes his elite size and skill, but also allows for the risky nature of his development. 7.5B seems to translate to: Top Six Forward probably, but definitely at least a Top Nine. Which does not seem accurate at all.
Similarly, Nigel Dawes, Petr Prucha, Jarko Immonen, Henrik Lundqvist, Lauri Korpikowski, Tomas Pock, and Bruce Graham have all displayed big-time NHL caliber talent. But each has a high(er) risk associated with them due to their size, lack of North American experience, age, level of competition, personality, or what have you.
But few people would argue that they have any business as NHL depth players.
2) On the reverse side of the ledger, Tjutin, Murray, Taylor, and others all seem to be rated higher on the 'skill side' than seems accurate. Tjutin in particular seems to be a prototypical 2nd-4th defenseman. But he's not a franchise, All-Star type of player. The value of Tjutin is that he's a lock to have a long NHL career, not his upside.
3) In addition to the way the new rules were applied, there are of course some rankings that I don't particularly agree with based on value.
-Giroux and Wiseman had very similar years in the AHL, and are of similar ages. Giroux is bigger and a slightly better scorer. Wiseman is faster and better defensively. How are they so far apart in the ratings?
-Glad to see you like Roman Psurny so much . . . but an 18-year-old 5th round pick with size questions is really better than the WJC vetted Nigel Dawes and the hulking Marcus Jonasen?
-Everybody loves Josef Balej. Tons of fun. But he isn't the Rangers best forward prospect. Well, at least we sure as hell hope not.
A few others, but these are really matter of opinion issues. It's not like you guys are off the map or anything.
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