#71 -- Flyers at Penguins -- March 22, 2009 -- 12:30 PM (ET)
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03-23-2009, 05:12 PM
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Philly Area
Originally Posted by
He has got 3 minors in 5 games including a misconduct, With limited Icetime! He is invisible when he plays has shown no hands here or all year. This was a bust move and not very smart at end of year when all moves should strengthen team not make it weaker. 9 games @37 mins = 4.1 average per game=Large Stupid for someone who is getting limited play
Look at numbers all you want but they just dont tell the whole story. I dont care how many penalties he takes as long as he isnt making the team short handed in the end. Hes out there to cause trouble and thats what hes doing. You keep making the point of how many dumb penalties he takes, well he has taken 2 minor penalties that have lead to powerplays and both of them were in the first period of games. He starts trouble early and 2 powerplays is nothing for an instigator.
He also allows guys like Hartnell to play hockey and stay out of the box because he doesnt have to worry about being a tough guy and instigating. 7 out of the past 8 games hartnell has had 0 PIM, and just 6 PIM since carcillo has joined the Flyers(9 games). to compare to before Carcillo came, hartnell had 27 PIM the 9 games before carcillo and has Penalties in 6 of 8 games before him. Carcillo allows guys like Hartnell and richards to focus on the game and stay on the ice where they are valuable instead of the box.
Your also not looking at the fact that they had to clear space to allow giroux to play. If upshall was still here, giroux would likely be in the minors, they said from the day of the trade that they needed to make room so that guys like giroux and a defensive call up(if a regular gets hurt) could fit into the roster.
Upshall was a fan favorite yes, but was he that good of a hockey player? You act like carcill cant play hockey and sucks so bad but upshall was some kind of point producing forward, which he clearly wasnt.
Upshall to compare the two has 16 PIM since joining phoenix resulting in 5 powerplays for the other team and 3 powerplay goals against for his penalties. If you want to make the point that Carcillo takes too many dumb penalties the fact that carcillo has made us short twice resulting in 0 goals against compared to Upshalls 5 penalties that made his team short and 3 goals against kind of kills the point.
Also, we werent signing upshall next year, now we have someone signed cheap through next year, more cap relief not just for this year but for next as well.
Originally Posted by
You cant disagree though that he really hasnt done anything can you? He even plays with Richards who ussually makes everyone look good...
No, I dont disagree at all. He hasnt lit up the scoreboard but I dont think anyone really expected him to. Hes allowed some of the other guys like richards and hartnell focus on the game rather that trying to still things up. Hartnell is way too valuable to be getting involved in every scrum and taking penalties that keep him off the ice, carcillo allows him to play while keeping the edge on the team. I dont think hes played great since coming here but at the same time its only been 9 games.
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