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03-26-2009, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jcpenny View Post
He plays with st-Louis, Malone and Stamkos who are no slouch. He plays also 20 mins + every game which enhances his stats. Vinny is not the player people think he is. The year he won the Cup, Richards was the leader and their best player, not him. Hes a very good player but hes not a saviour and cannot carry a team on his shoulders ala Messier, Jagr, Lemieux, sackic, Forsberg, Sundin...
He doesnt play with St.Louis Malone or Stamkos. He has played with all 3 at various points, but for most of the year (or the part that Tocchet has been in charge) St.Louis Stamkos Malone have been on the same line. With Vinny playing with Prospal and someone else, it changes game to game, Halpern, Karsums heck even Pettinger. Sure the MVP line has been together a bit, but generally he is with Prospal and someone else.

He is also injured this year as you may have known, as shoulder surgery takes a long time to recover from and he was playing 3 months after, rather than the recommended 6 months. He wont be fully recovered until next season, or that is what he is saying.

And as to the not being able to carry a team on his shoulders obviously he cant this year as he hurt one. But seriously if you wanted to see him carry a team on his shoulders you should have watched the 2006 playoffs in the series against the Devils, he was easily the best Lightning player in that series, doing everything, scoring PPG+, a game winning goal etc. He could even be considered the best player in that series from both teams. He carried that on into the next season was leading the league and got injured. Since then (1 year and a half now) he hasnt been the same because of injures, wait to see what he does next year before you judge either way.

So what I am trying to say is he is a great player you arent giving him enough credit (meanwhile I probably give him too much credit)

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