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06-11-2009, 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by y2kcanucks View Post
Apparently our team sucks in any lineup that doesn't include the Sedins
Nah, man. A team that loses it's top scorers who are consistent, durable, and hard-working sucks.

That would be SelKesler's line-up.

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Originally Posted by mrmyheadhurts View Post
Who says the 1st line center has to carry the line by himself? Morrison certainly didn't. I agree that Kesler is not what you would consider a first line center but are you really giving Sundin and Demitra credit for making that line work?
Yes, I'm giving them full credit for making Kesler better than he was initially. The trio of Kesler-Sundin-Demitra is an odd one, because all of them collaborated with each other to make everyone on that line better. Without Sundin opening up vast amounts of ice, Kesler would never have any room to pull of the stuff he did. Without Kesler's terrific defensive play, that line becomes a liability in their own zone. Without Demitra's uncanny ability to act as a playermaker AND finisher when necessary, most of those points that line put up don't happen.

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Kesler put both those guys on his back, especially in the defensive zone. He was putting up some pretty decent numbers with Burrows too, he just was used in a more defensive role.
I'm going to have to politely disagree with you here. Kesler has had one marginally good season- and that's because he was playing with two people who could A) Open up the ice for him and B) Give him the puck when he was open/crashing the net. Kesler is the energy on that line... he has nowhere the hands of Pavol or Sundin, even at their age. If Kesler was put on the ice with, say, Raymond and Wellwood, could you realistically expect him to put up the same amount of points while making him play a more 'offensive-minded game'?

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If he wasn't going, that line wasn't going. I'm also not sure I agree with the idea that Kesler is a finisher and not a playmaker.

I think people should stop worrying about categorizing lines like they are playing NHL 09. I would rather have 4 balanced lines than 1 superstar "scoring" line and a bunch of supporting lines. We tried that once here already, it doesn't work.
Playmaker is quite a generally used term in sports- off the top of my head, the NHL, NBA, and NFL all have players categorized as playmakers. NHL 09 wasn't the originator of the term.

If you don't want to call Kesler a finisher, then there are only so many other options. Just some that pop into my head:

Energy player
Defensive-specialist
Playmaker
Power-forward
Goon

I'm sure I didn't cover everything, but defensive-specialist and energy player cover Kesler quite nicely already.. so what would you call him?

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Regardless of semantics, a hockey line compiled of one sort player, e.g., a bunch of finishers/snipers on the same line would be entirely useless because none of them can get the puck to one another. A line full of playmakers will not flourish because nobody is going to shoot.

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Ideally we have 3 really great centers and not worry about who is 1st, 2nd or 3rd. Who ever is going that particular night will get the ice time.
Ok. (I'm sorry, I'm really tired so I don't think I'll reply to this one just now.)

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