Round 2, Vote 2 (2009 update)
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08-04-2009, 04:05 PM
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Brighton, MI
Originally Posted by
God Bless Canada
When Kelly played, defencemen did not join the rush. You do know that, right? If you don't, you don't belong in this process.
I understand that, though I am not a voter... but maybe I misuderstood the "All posters are encouraged to participate in the debates and discussions"?
I don't pretend to know everything and am more interested in learning.
I think it is clear you do not have to join the rush to be effective offensively as a defenseman, and that defensemen who often did join the rush sacrificed actual defense.
In 49-50, Kelly had 15 goals and 40 points. The criminally underrated Bill Gadsby was the only other one with at least 10 goals and 30 points.
In 50-51, he had 17 goals and 54 points. The next-closest in each category was Allan Stanley (seven goals) and Jimmy Thomson (36 points). The 2-3-4 defencemen in goals combined for 18 goals that year. Kelly had 17.
In 51-52, he had 16 goals and 47 points. One-year wonder Hy Buller was next with 12 and 35.
No question those were impressive years, but Gadsby and Harvey were also putting up 50+ points in the years I listed (Gadsby and Kelly doing it twice) and there were defensemen putting in more goals in the 30s and 40s (in less games).
Looking at the latter years I posted, only 4 defensemen put up 70+ points and Lidstrom did it 4 times.
Are you just assuming Gadsby, Harvey and Kelly would be putting up 100 points today? I just do not buy that and do not understand how those numbers figure.
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