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Kharlamov

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Originally Posted by Shirtless Joe View Post
C1958: Are you honestly still going on about the Umberger video?

Here's some more info about some of the greats in Soviet:

Soviet MVP Top 5 rankings:
Player First Second Third Fourth Fifth Total
Vladislav Tretiak 5 2 3 2 12
Sergei Makarov 3 2 2 3 10
Vyacheslav Fetisov 2 2 3 1 1 9
Boris Mikhailov 2 1 2 1 2 8
Valeri Kharlamov 1 3 2 2 8
Aleksander Maltsev 1 2 1 4 8
Vladimir Krutov 1 2 2 1 6
Vladimir Petrov 2 1 1 4
Anatoli Firsov 3 3
Igor Larionov 1 2 3
Vyacheslav Starshinov 1 2 3

In 1972 Kharlamov and Maltsev were tied, but Maltsev had more first place votes.

Something to note is the dominance of CSKA Moscow not only in the Soviet league, but also when it came to voting on this award.

I'd say this is a somewhat similar situation to when the Habs had Harvey/Beliveau/Richard/Plante - only more dominant compared to the teams they faced. Who should their success primarily be attributed to?

Let's take a look at what teams had players that were considered as top 3 in Soviet MVP voting:

Year First Second Third
1968 CSKA Spartak Torpedo Gorky
1969 CSKA Spartak Spartak
1970 Gorky Dynamo Spartak
1971 CSKA CSKA Dynamo
1972 Dynamo CSKA CSKA
1973 CSKA CSKA CSKA
1974 CSKA CSKA Dynamo
1975 CSKA CSKA Spartak
1976 CSKA CSKA Spartak
1977 Riga CSKA CSKA/CSKA
1978 CSKA CSKA CSKA
1979 CSKA ? ?
1980 CSKA CSKA CSKA
1981 CSKA Dynamo Spartak
1982 CSKA CSKA CSKA
1983 CSKA CSKA CSKA
1984 CSKA CSKA CSKA
1985 CSKA CSKA Dynamo
1986 CSKA CSKA CSKA
1987 CSKA CSKA CSKA
1988 CSKA CSKA CSKA
1989 CSKA CSKA CSKA
1990 CSKA Riga CSKA
1991 CSKA CSKA Dynamo

I'm sorry if your eyes hurt from reading that, but this is how dominant they actually were. In 1983, 1986 and 1987, only players from CSKA made the top 5. To try to put some players achievements in perspective, here is when they played for the club:

Tretiak: 1969-70 to 1983-84
Kharlamov: 1967-68 to 1980-81
Mikhailov: 1969-70 to 1980-81
Fetisov: 1977-78 to 1988-89
Makarov: 1978-79 to 1988-89
Krutov: 1978-79 to 1988-89
Larionov: 1981-82 to 1988-89
Petrov: 1969-70 to 1980-81
Firsov: 1962-63 to 1972-73

On another note, could someone try a statistical comparison (with any relevant data) of Taylor and Lalonde to their contemporaries?
Based on the Soviet MVP voting Kharlamov seems to be fifth in line.
Before going any further two questions arise. What was the definition of MVP in the REL. Are we talking best player, most popular player, most valuable player, what was the exact criteria and was it limited to league play or were outside the league and international games considered?

Who was doing the actually voting and was it a secret ballot vote or a consensus vote?

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