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08-13-2009, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by pappyline View Post

As far as regular season awards go, Hall almost always beat out Plante for first AS even though Plante played on the better team.
This is a little misleading:

Plante was never a first or second team all star after his Hart year in 61-62, when he got the First Team All Star.

In 62-63, he was shipped to the Rangers and was no longer a threat.

This is who Hall beat out for his First Team All Stars:

From 56-61, many considered Plante a product of Harvey, yet he was Hall's only real competition. The only other showing until 1961 was a 2nd place finish by post-peak Sawchuk:

1956
1. Plante
2. Hall

1957
1. Hall
2. Plante

1958
1. Hall
2. Plante

1959
1. Plante
2. Sawchuk

1960
1. Hall
2. Plante

In 1961, Bower won, and in 1962, Plante won the Hart and 1st Team without Harvey:
1961
1. Bower
2. Plante

1962
1. Plante
2. Hall

From 1963-69 on, Plante was no longer competition. This is when Hall got 4/7 First Team nods.
1963:
1. Hall
2. Sawchuk

1964:
1. Hall
2. Hodge

1965:
1. Crozier
2. Hodge

1966:
1. Hall
2. Worsley

1967:
1. Giacomin
2. Hall

1968:
1. Worsley
2. Giacomin

1969:
1. Hall
2. Giacomin

I would argue that playing behind Doug Harvey probably hurt Plante in All Star voting, as many people thought he was a product of Harvey until Harvey left and Plante suddenly won the Hart. It definitely hurt him in Hart voting; I don't see why it would help him in All Star voting. Obviously playing for a team so pathetic that it really hurts your stats isn't going to help your record, but I don't think Chicago was ever that.

Hall did get 7 First Team nods and he does deserve credit for that. But to say he got them while competing against Plante and Sawchuk is misleading. Sawchuk was post-peak and was rarely competive during this time. 4/7 of the nods were after Plante ceased being a threat - the other 3/7 were when Plante was playing behind Doug Harvey, which was perhaps a handicap ifor him in the voting, perhaps not.

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