Round 2, Vote 6 (2009 update)
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08-31-2009, 06:34 PM
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Here are the candidates, listed alphabetically:
Walter "Turk" Broda
Francis "King" Clancy
Aubrey "Dit" Clapper
Richard "Dickie" Moore
My list (original) + comments
1. Bill Durnan : Might have overrated him a little to begin with... But he should ahead of Broda and not really far from Dryden. Considering where Dryden ended up, and considering that Broda is available this round, I fail to see why he shouldn't be in contention, at the very worst, for the Top-3
2. Turk Broda : See Bill Durnan. Lesser, way lesser regular season goalie, but has a claim at being the 2nd best playoff goalie ever.
3. Dickie Moore : He's already penalized for not winning the Hart Memorial (and see FF's words about Lindsay, and consider that the same applies to Moore) by not being available for voting prior to this round. Career short by every standards, which should be the only thing hampering him. Might have to send him down a little, though.
4. King Clancy : I can conceive that Clancy's ranking is hurt a bit by the fact he had some great years prior to the merger (playing with a Top-75 guy and an arguable Top-100 helped him as well), but frankly, those who have beed advocating Nighbor's case... Why exactly should he get in ahead of Clancy?
5 : Earl Seibert : Getting higher and higher. Defensive stonewall, and underrated offensive contributor, and has would have had a serious claim at being the Connie Smythe winner on the weakest Stanley Cup winner, ever. (a five-goal performance in the playoffs is IMO more impressive than a 1,71 GAA in those same playoffs, especially considering era). Will be in the mix for no.1 in my final voting.
6 : Andy Bathgate : Going down fast in my rankings. Probably a Top-10. No matter what might be said about his '59 Hart, well, he still won it in the end. Seems to have more negatives than I actually thought.
7 : Pierre Pilote : It kinda sucks that he was a great d-men in not such a great era for d-men (as far as individual talent is concerned). Delivered in the playoffs, as supported by HO's document (was that you?). But some evidence that he wasn't exactly a defensive ace (wasn't bad, but wasn't, let's say, Seibert) makes it hard for me to rank him ahead of Clancy.
8 : Clint Benedict : Pre-merger+not the same competition than Durnan/Broda makes it hard to rank him ahead of them. Some who are giving some flak to Dickie Moore about playing on a stacked team should look carefuly at the Senators team, where the worst D-Men was Eddie Gerard or Lionel Hitchman. But still, he achieved a lot, and not always on great teams (later part of his career). EDIT : Euh, what exactly makes Benedict an equal to Broda in playoffs?
9 : Peter Forsberg : When he could brought it all, he brought it all. One would wish him to score more goals, but that's it, and if Milan Hejduk is scoring them, well, the team wins anyway. He should be close to Dickie Moore, but below Dickie Moore.
10 : Tim Horton : Might have overrated him, now that I consider everything. Considering the style that he played, longevity should definitely be considered when rating him.
11 : Boris Mikhailov : At least, he's getting closer to Kharlamov. Brought some rough n tumble to the russian game. And was effective for a very long time when compared to his russian contemporaries, which is IMO worth a lot when rating that was - let's say it - a digger. Worth mentionning that he had his best international year in 1979, when Kharlamov wasn't exactly what he was.
12 : Henri Richard : This one will probably take half of the discussions, so I'll leave it at those two thoughts : First, if considered the 5th best "Habs" of all time, it doesn't mean he was the 5th best player in a Habs jersey. It's just that he meant A LOT for A LONG time. Second, I think it would be a fair assessement not to rank him too far from Keon. (I had Keon 4 ranks below).
13 : Dit Clapper : Please, no comparisons to Red Kelly. Outperformed by Earl Seibert as a D-Men(for the years their careers spanned at D...) and extremely comparable to Cecil Dillon as a RW, inspite of the later being used with some guy history completely forgot (and Paul Thompson for very few years) and a guy only Stan Fischler considers a top-100 player ever. I like Dillon, but he's, what, Top-200 material?
14 : Max Bentley : Might have ranked him too low, but... I dont know, I'm kindof unimpressed, except by his stint as a Hawk. Will be higher than 14th, hopeful for Top-10, but comparisons about his similitudes to his brother hurts him.
15 : Jari Kurri : My bad, I was looking hard at my list when I wondered who was the guy I forgot. I had Kurri sandwiched between Makarov and Kennedy, but I underrated both of them, so he would be sandwiched between some guy named Jackson and some guy named Stewart, who isn't even the best Stewart on my list.
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