Round 2, Vote 6 (2009 update)
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09-01-2009, 05:46 PM
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Clint Benedict played in a high scoring era, low scoring era or a blend. Which is it?
1917-18 the TG/G was 9.50 but had shrunk to 2.92 by 1929. Hardly high scoring. Of course the 1917-18 season was a WWI year.
Benedict played in an era when scoring steadily declined.
You know what he meant and are just playing the semantics game now. Benedict played mostly in a high scoring era, and it declined particularly in the first three post-merger seasons.
Conversely during the 1952-53 thru 1962-63 era when Jacques Plante played with the Canadiens it ranged from 4.79 to 5.95 taking the book end seasons with minor seasonal variances. Plante's core performance saw a 1.35 - 3.17 GAA during the playoffs without disasterous series like Benedict had. No 5.2 or 8.66.Plante well into his forties did better than Benedict.
We've already established that Plante is arguably the best goalie of all-time, so comparing the two is foolish. Benedict isn't as good as Plante; so what? 99.999% of goalies to ever play, weren't as good as Plante. Tell us something that narrows it down at least somewhat.
Now a sub 2.50GAA, 80% of the time is not exactly consistant when you include some of the weak series. 5.2 GAA or an 8.66 GAA or in an era where the TG/G is plummeting towards 2.92.
Way to try to slip that past us. The two series you are basing your entire life on, were in 1915 and 1919. Scoring was far from "plummeting towards 2.92" in those seasons. The majority of Benedict's playoff games were played in seasons before scoring plummeted. Besides, in the 11 games he played in the 1927 and 1928 playoffs, he had a GAA of 0.87, which, I'm pretty sure was still far below the league average:
Again focus on Benedict'c
and show me an NHA / PCHA / WCHL / NHL goalie with a SC final 8.66 GAA or an NHL goalie with an NHL final GAA of 5.2 pre 1930. The small sample space or it can happen to anyone cop out does not work. Afterall, why did it happen to him?
There were other factors involved in both series, but even if Benedict truly had the two worst series of the era, the facts remain that he had many of the very best ones, as well as the best total career numbers in both the regular season and the playoffs.
Clint Benedict did not have to worry about the lead forward, tip ins, deflections by the opposition, screens, etc. nor the increased speed of the game for the vast majority of his career. When confronted with the modern forward pass game he did not adapt.He was one of the better goalies of the pre forward pass era but others like Holmes, Hainsworth, Vezina amongst others achieved results that indicate they should be at part of the debate as opposed to seeing Benedict as the token goalie for his era.
Benedict's contemporaries did not have to worry about "the lead forward, tip ins, deflections by the opposition, screens, etc. nor the increased speed of the game" either, did they? He played the same game that they all did too, and he outperformed them. That's what matters. Not how old they were whena major rule change was instituted, which is what the majority of your argument is hinging on.
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