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11-12-2004, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by me2
If there was to be revenues linked to salaries these things would have to be worked out in advance, in any CBA. The NHLPA would require much more transparency and access to the books. That much is a given.

I just understand the ''Transparency'' problem of the NHLPA ? What more would you want ? Every salary is expose to the public while the owners can hide their money anywhere, anytime because it's not public.

Stop thinking that I'm a pro NHLPA because I always thought the OWNERS are the liars who tried to make GUARANTEED profit & they are telling the fans it's for the love of the game.

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Originally Posted by me2
Based on what? Even Forbes found they lost $98m and Forbes may be much more generous about what is hockey revenue than others. They pretty much implied that. Also note that $98m lost was before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization. The players are going to have to account for those extras as well as the $98m. Loans don't just pay the interest on themselves.
Again if you do some credit as an owner, you can't blame that you pay your employees too much. It's just his own responsabilities.

Stop thinking that I'm a pro NHLPA because I always thought the OWNERS are the liars who tried to make GUARANTEED profit & they are telling the fans it's for the love of the game.

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Not that much. Most of this stuff isn't that different from last years Forbes report (the one comparable to the Levitt report on time scale). I think Forbes had $124m last year in loses compared to this years $98m. Owners laughed that one off.
It's still a mystery to me of what do you have to gain about protecting owners that no one here knows the REAL TRUTH. What we do know as FACTS is

- Chicago owner's is described as mr.scrooge even by their own fans. So if he does not report the luxury suites into the hockey department is not a real surprise don't you think ?

- 2 Owners are to blame by the exchange commission for commiting false report over their other businesses. Does that make you a bit suspicious that they can do that also in their hockey franchise.

- Forbes is one of the MOST PRESTIGIOUS financial magazine there is. Do you think they got paid 250,000$ to say those things like Mr.Levitt did. The NHL OWNERS claim that Levitt is as INDEPENDANT as you can ask but he GOT PAID by THEM !!!

While Forbes was not PAID BY ANYONE TO SAY THIS !!!

If you can't see the difference, you can understand why the NHL owners did a lot of public relations to make you believe them whatever they want you believe.

Stop thinking that I'm a pro NHLPA because I always thought the OWNERS are the liars who tried to make GUARANTEED profit & they are telling the fans it's for the love of the game.

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Originally Posted by me2
According to Forbes 17 team lost money and 6 teams made $2.3m or less. 17 before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, how many after? At least 23 would be my guess based on Forbes numbers, probably more. But perhaps the NHLPA consider only 23 going backwards a success.
Again you failed to recongnize that the NHLPA acknowledge some losses just like Forbes but they don't believe a HARD CAP is necessary to fix the problem when most of the FINANCIAL PROBLEMS are related to

- weak arena leases
- poor market viability
- poor management decision

94,000,000$ is enormous but when you consider that it's a 2,2 BILLIONS$ enterprise it's not that ENORMOUR. Also they succeed to cut 25% of those losses in 1 YEAR with the OLD CBA !!! Why can'T they do another 25% this year & another 25% the other year.

I'm not saying the OLD CBA is a success story but it prooves that this lockout is killing hockey & it's not the players salaries at fault.

Sure we can envy that a guy not that smart is being paid 10,000,000$ for pushing a puck on a stick but that's just plain envy & Jaleaousy. It's irrelevant to blame the hockey RED BLOOD because of the salaries.

Just think a 5% rollback = 100M$
Better control on rookie incentive
Better control on spending with a soft luxury tax

total = 200M$

Is it the perfect solution ? probably not

But you can't expect the players the fall for everything the owners have done in the last 10 years. NHLPA acknowledge the losses but not as large as the NHL Owners said.

Also don't forget 1 thing, as much PR the NHL owners can do, it's a fact & not an opinion that it takes 2 to make a deal & the owners are not willing to do so.

Example :

Banana's companies are in the RED, Mr.Goodenow is the buyer & Mr.Bettman is the seller.

Bettman : I can't sell my 100 banana's for 29$ anymore, I'm losing money every week at this price.

Goodenow : well maybe we can go at 32$ ?

Bettman : Bob, I really need more than that. I talked to my accountant & under 60$ for 100 bananas, I can't sell bananas to you anymore.

Goodenow : Gary you're asking too much, let's try 10% increase at 32$ & we'll see next year.

Bettman : Bob, I can't do partial fix anymore i'm in the deep red. It's 60$ or I don't sell.

Goodenow : Gary , I can't expect to buy your bananas 110% more than last year. It doesn't make sense.

Bettman : it's 60$ or nothing BOB !

Goodenow : Ok then , I'll be there if you want to negotiate.

Bettman : it's 60$ Bob & nothing else, get back to me when you will understand my position.

The point just in case you didn't notice is that Gary Bettman want a hard cap & nothing else so there's no point to discuss when 1 side are trying to dictate the negotiations !

LAST THING :

Stop thinking that WE ARE ALL PRO NHLPA because I always thought the OWNERS are the liars who tried to make GUARANTEED profit & they are telling the fans it's for the love of the game.

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