NHLPA fires Paul Kelly (UPD: player review of firing completed)
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09-14-2009, 04:45 AM
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I asked you to tell us specifically what makes them "a joke" but you are unable. Like so many others, all you are able to do is vaguely question their character on a personal level. Without anything of substance to back it up, it's simply a red herring.
It is not a red herring. When there's smoke there's usually fire, and smoke follows Lindros around everywhere he goes. Why would I bother getting into it with someone who clearly has no intention of being intellectually honest?
As for Buzz Hargrove, are you even remotely familiar with his record? If you were, you'd realize how shocking it is that the players would allow themselves to be associated with him. It does speak to their level of unawareness. Buzz Hargrove is the last man you want answering media questions on your behalf. Donald Rumsfeld would be a better spokesperson.
Nonsense. It's impossible for you to say whether their position is stronger or weaker. None of us even know who will be leading them in their negotiations.
What does that even mean? Of course none of us will be leading them. Who said otherwise?
The fact is that they've taken a major PR hit and every action they take is now going to view through this prism. The wide perception is that the players are not capable of running the union and that they are prone to bad decisions
That's all true, but none of it has anything to do with why the players buckled. They didn't buckle because people like you and me might have been calling them greedy. They buckled because none of them wanted to go another 12 months without a cheque.
And the owners didn't buckle because they got all the cover they needed. The only thing that could have kept the league from getting its salary cap was pressure from the fans. Instead, the fans typically went great lengths to defend the billionaires from the millionaires. If you don't understand this you really are in no position to be commenting about this at all. Indeed, Bettman got away with saying things like "the fans are telling us to not come back until we get the deal we need".
Paul Kelly certainly seemed to get it.
The difference between that and "a compnay with annual revenues of $1.5 billion" is approximately 1.5 billion miles.
That's (not) an interesting thing to say. I see you took the time to back it up, as you've done throughout this thread.
It doesn't matter what the "general perception" was. The perception of the player reps - those charged by ALL the members with making the decisions for ALL the members - is that the "general perception" was wrong.
The general perception matters immensely and if that perception doesn't change it will end up hurting the players in the wallet just like the last time the CBA was up for re-negotiation.
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