Zherdev or Kotalik
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11-06-2009, 05:42 PM
Can't Beat Him
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Originally Posted by
I'm not arguing that he's not talented, but I am arguing that if he is better or arguably as good all around (not in wrist shot, not in intensity, but as an entire asset to a hockey team) as Kotalik is, it would seem to me that he would be on A team right now. I can't agree with you that not being signed has nothing to do with talent, because if you are talented enough, you will have a spot on an NHL roster despite what seemingly huge downside you may have. If you can score goals or pass the puck with the best of them, there will always be a team that needs that skill regardless of attitude questions or contract negotiation problems. That being said, I'm not claiming that Zherdev isn't talented, when he felt like playing heart and soul he lifted me out of my seat and in general I thought that not signing him was a mistake at the time. However, as an entire asset to a team, he isn't on the NHL level in my opinion. He can shoot well, he can pass very well, but he has little heart and even less overall intensity, two things that are a must in any professional athlete.
Looking back on my last post and your answer though, you're probably right that "talented" isn't the right word. What I meant was that if he were overall as valuable a player as Kotalik, why isn't he in the league?
He's not as valuable as Kotalik, since he carries such a toxic reputation. That kills most of his value. But I'd still rather have him than Kotalik. And that's no knock on Kotalik.
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on what planet would zherdev assert effort long enough to pile up those kinds of numbers? certainly not this one. he's a diva, let him snpa his fingers in a Z formation (pun intended) all season long in the KHL, his reputation finally ruined him here.
You seized on the least important part of my argument. Even if he's having an average Zherdev season he's still more productive than Kotalik. The guy posted 58 points on an inept offensive team devoid of much talent, even with his horrible slump over the final part of the season. He posted 61 points on an equally lame Columbus team the season before. Do I think 30-60-90 is
? No. But were he to play on a top line with two excellent offensive players, adding 5 goals and 20 assists to his production isn't totally unreasonable. That kind of jump has happened with lesser players than Zherdev.
But that's beside the point. I'd rather have Zherdev at ages 25-27 for $3M per. And that's keeping in mind Kotalik's PP prowess.
It's just pain.
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