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11-20-2009, 08:25 AM
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DontStepanMe
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Originally Posted by nyr2k2 View Post
Um, no. I've never once tried to injure someone when throwing a hit. Knock the wind out of them? Make them sore the next day? Make him think twice about skating through the crease? Absolutely. But injure? Absolutely not. If you're running around throwing hits trying to injure people, then you have no respect for the game or for the opposition. Trying to hurt the opposition is not and should never be a part of the game. I'm really, really hoping that was just a poorly worded statement dude.
this is exactly what I meant. poor wording by me. sorry about that. Everytime you hit somebody you want to inflict a little pain, or at least make them feel it. Not try to break somebodies bones, or put them out of there misery. But make them aware of your presence, and keep that in there minds.

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And how is "it was an accident" an excuse for hurting someone? If I'm doubling the speed limit in the rain at 4AM and lose control of my car and kill someone, you think a judge and jury will give one **** that it was an accident? The same goes for hockey. If you're Launching yourself like a missile across the ice to deck someone, and you happen to catch him in the face and concuss him, I'm sorry, but you're responsible for that. There are definitely instances where players are accidentally hurt on otherwise clean hits, I don't disagree--but there are also a ton of injuries that result from one player throwing an out of control check, whether the actual impact was accidental or not. You have to control yourself when you're on the ice, and if you can't and you hurt someone, you need to be punished.
yes if you aim at there head, you are responsible. But what about the plays where the player about to be hit, turns right before or curls down thus taking the hit in the head. That is his responsibility as well. It seems that players now don't know how to take hits as well either. Especially around the boards where they more often than not turn their backs on the player trying to get a boarding call. That's dangerous, and that isn't the hitters fault, but rather the hittees.

A problem w/ the penalty system is trying to figure out who's fault it is. A player who was trying to make a clean hit w/ the shoulder into another players chest, should not be penalized if the player curls up before the hit and takes it in the head. Common sense has to prevail sometimes.

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By your logic, high sticking shouldn't be a penalty at all, since it's accidental...right? Of course not. Because you're responsible for controlling your stick when you're on the ice. You're not any less responsible for controlling your body when attempting a hit. I'd argue you're MORE responsible...
no swinging a high stick recklessly should be a penalty. It is dangerous. but if a player has a high stick and another player swings his head into the stick on purpose trying to get a penalty, well that shouldn't be a penalty on the player with the high stick.

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One of the reasons head shots have become a problem in the game nowadays is because the modern hockey player seems to play with less respect for the opponent now than at any other time. I've heard this from players personally and read it many times over. If you don't have any respect for your fellow player, you're much less likely to play under control, and much more likely to put yourself in situations where you're "accidentally" hurting people.
Completely agree that they have less respect. But it does go both ways. Both the hitter and the hittee has less respect. The hitter is sometimes very reckless, but the hittee sometimes looks to draw a penalty and will Purposely put themselves in a more vulnerable position, or turn at the last second in hopes of drawing a call.

There is a fine line between legal, and illegal hit. The question is do we want games to be decided on a questionable call. The onus shouldn't be just on the hitter, but the hittee needs to take some responsibility sometimes. I've seen it too often, especially along the boards, where players don't know how to take a hit correctly or try to draw a penalty, and that is just as dangerous.

I think another problem, might be that players wear too much protection nowadays making them feel invincible. Thus the uptick in reckless behavior. There is a correlation between more and better pads, and more reckless behavior. Whether it is a causation is up for debate, but there is definately a correlation.


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