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01-05-2005, 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by arnie
The number of Stanley cups you win is a worthless stat. All it means is that you were lucky enough to play on a good team. In fact, it probably means that part of you success was because you had extraordinary teammates and that you accomplishments are a bit overblown. (Example: Wayne Gretzky. The oilers made him as much as he made the oilers. Who did did he cup follow when he left Endmonton? Messier, who won another cup in Edmonton and one in NY.)

When people suggest that winning the cup is a sign of a players ability, I need only point out that Troy Loney won 2 with the Pitttsnurgh Penguins while Ray Borque would have won 0, if the Bruins hadn't given him a break and traded him to Col in his last year. If that trade hadn't been made, would that mean that Borque was any less a player?
Beliveau won 10 cups. He was unquestionably the leader (and captain) on the last 5 which included the winning the first Conn Smythe. In the first 5 Rocket was definitely the leader but not the go to guy (although he definitely came up with the big games). Beliveau was the top player, top scorer and top PIM for Montreal in that "5 in a row" of the late fifties.

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