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01-27-2010, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by pld459666 View Post
Actually if you asked Leetch that question, he would acknowledge (and has done so) that having a defence partner like Beuk allowed him to do certain things on the ice that he would not have done had he had a different type of partner back there.

Jeff absolutely contributed, in a major way, to Leetch's development into the HOF'er he is.
Leetch said that!!!????


You don't understand that he can't say anything but that. If you ask Lundqvist what kind of goaltender Valiquette is, he would also be very complimentary. That's what athletes do.

If you believe that Leetch would not have been a Hall of Famer without Beukeboom, you couldn't be more wrong. Hall of Famers don't need others to be Hall of Famers. That's why they are Hall of Famers. They are the ones who make players like Beukeboom seem like important players.

There is also the usual confusion between a player with grit and a fighter being displayed here. Callahan is gritty. He doesn't fight. Grit is going into the corner, expecting to win the battle for the puck and not backing down an inch of space. It's a shame he's too small to be great at it. Make him bigger and you have Backes.

Orr is not a gritty player at all. He fights but the amount of times he wins battles for pucks is near negligible. Players who fight and can play tough and contribute are the players missing from the Rangers. Players like Orr are dinosaurs. Incredibly unimportant.

Years ago, thugs could play the game. There have been tons of those throughout the years. Guys like Kocur and Tocchet and are prime examples of this. Orr is interchangeable with at least 20 other players in the league. That's why they travel from team to team to team. For those of you old enough to remember, there was a player named John Ferguson who was one of the most feared players ever, yet he had real hockey skills.

The Rangers aren't missing the ability to win fights or be "tough" in the way that some of you crave. They are missing the ability and mindset and desire to beat their opponents to loose pucks.

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